Senior Citizens in Shackles: Germany Arrests Another Pensioner Over “Holocaust”


As the old Polish saying goes, “The Jew cries out as he strikes you.” A casual look at history will tell you that the modus operandi of the Jewish elites throughout history. Jewish banking oligarchs are currently flooding Europe with hundreds of thousands of former ISIS fighters, radical jihadists, and economic migrants looking to leech off the backs of hardworking Europeans.

This is being accomplished through the various proxy wars for Israel in the Middle East and through manipulating European politicians to cuck their nations for status and profit. You would think that the Jews would sit back and relax after their massive victories on gay marriage, getting Europeans to demographically destroy themselves, and their various other schemes but no, only total destruction of the European people is viewed as victory in the eyes of the international Jew.

The newest absurdity of the Jewish power structure is going after senior citizens accused of “war crimes” during the Second World War. The Holocaust is something that Jews will never let the West forget and they use it to whitewash Zionist war crimes in the Middle East and use the bludgeon “anti-Semite” and “Nazi” to smear nationalists who want to stop immigration or support traditional Western civilization. If the Holocaust guilt industry dies, so does the Jew’s greatest rhetorical weapon against the European people, especially the Germans.

Shoah business goes so far as to have Holocaust memorials in places that not only had nothing to do with the Holocaust. At the Statehouse in Ohio, there is a Holocaust memorial even though Ohio citizens were part of US Army units that liberated several of the work camps in the Third Reich. At the dedication for the memorial, “the Ohio Bicentennial bell was tolled 12 times for the 12 million killed” because apparently the oft-repeated six million killed number has grown a bit stale. Modern American media is always about being bigger, I guess that applies to making statistics bigger as well.

Inflation of numbers can also be found with the alleged number of camps that the Third Reich had. For decades it has been said that there were dozens of major camps and a few hundred smaller work camps but now it is being claimed by Dr. Edwin I. Megargee, a former professor at the Leftist University of California, that “the numbers kept climbing — first to 11,500, then 20,000, then 30,000, and now 42,500….researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe.” I believe most rational people would find it hard to believe that even the highest estimates of camp numbers a few years ago have now quadrupled due to the investigation by a far-Left professor finding a huge amount of previously hidden evidence. The Holocaust industry continues to have to up the ante on numbers and atrocities in order to keep the dollars and guilt flowing.

The money that goes into the Holocaust guilt racket is obscene, especially in an age of economic downturn in Europe when veterans, pensioners and other citizens are finding it hard to provide housing, food, and other necessities for themselves. Germans alone have paid almost a hundred billion dollars to the tens of millions of “Holocaust survivors.” A report from 2012 said thatGermany’s postwar reparations program has become such a matter of fact that many Germans are not even aware that their country, after paying $89 billion in compensation mostly to Jewish victims of Nazi crimes over six decades, still meets regularly to revise and expand the guidelines for qualification.” Of course the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum has a link on their website to help people claim money from the German government.

It is not only the German government which has been paying out. In 2014, the “French state-owned railway company was compelled to allocate $60 millions to American Jewish Holocaust survivors for its role in the transport of deportees to Germany. It corresponds to approximately $100,000 per survivor.” 

Even when the last Holocaust survivor dies, the Holocaust industry will never actually end. New reports that are scientifically and medically laughable are being put forward about “genetic memory” that says that Holocaust survivor trauma is passed on to their children. The Guardian reported thatGenetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children.” With this new pseudoscientific fig leaf we could face decades more of reparations and other programs to give Gentile money to Jewish hands to continue propagating the Holocaust industry.

Propaganda spent decades claiming Nazis turned Jews into soap, only to have that lie exposed in the 1990's

Propaganda spent decades claiming Nazis turned Jews into soap, only to have that lie exposed in the 1990’s

After the end of the war, the Allies gathered up camp guards, camp commanders, SS soldiers, officers, and pretty much any German they could and put them on show trial on the way to a quick execution. The Allies had already decided to do a mass purge after the war of German officers, intelligentsia, and community leaders, regardless of their guilt.

Given that the official Holocaust narrative tells us the Allies had no idea about what was going on until they strolled into the camps, it is strange that at the Tripartite Dinner Meeting at the Tehran Conference, the Soviet leader, Joseph Stalin, proposed executing “50,000-100,000 German staff officers” as a way to punish and crush Germany. With no reason given at the meeting for the mass executions other than trying to decapitate German society, it is clear that the Allies were not interested in justice, only blood revenge.

One of the Soviet justices Iola T. Nikitchenko said before any Nuremberg testimony or evidence had been entered that “The fact that the Nazi leaders are criminals has already been established. The task of the Tribunal is only to determine the measure of guilt of each particular person and mete out the necessary punishment — the sentences.” English common law and the foundation of all Western judicial practices has asserted that one is innocent until proven guilty. It’s without a doubt that the Nuremberg justices were made up of hanging judges, not ones interested in truly evaluating the evidence and alleged guilt of the accused.

Soviet authorities of course never faced justice for the Katyn Massacre where even our own Central Intelligence Agency admits,

The victims were Polish officers, soldiers, and civilians captured by the Red Army after it invaded eastern Poland in September 1939. Strictly speaking, even the Polish servicemen were not POWs. The USSR had not declared war… Those who died at Katyn included an admiral, two generals, 24 colonels, 79 lieutenant colonels, 258 majors, 654 captains, 17 naval captains, 3,420 NCOs, seven chaplains, three landowners, a prince, 43 officials, 85 privates, and 131 refugees. Also among the dead were 20 university professors; 300 physicians; several hundred lawyers, engineers, and teachers; and more than 100 writers and journalists as well as about 200 pilots.”

The Soviet Union purposefully massacred thousands of innocent people for the purpose of destroying Polish resistance to Soviet occupation and yet were able to sit in judgment of Germans for their supposed war crimes. The crimes of the Allies were brushed under the rug, even when civilians were massacred en masse but the crimes of the Third Reich–real and imagined–were put before the world.

Estimates for the Soviet Union alone puts organized murder of over twenty million people in the time from the Bolshevik Revolution to the Second World War. The Holodomor was a man-made famine done by Jewish Bolshevik authorities and Joseph Stalin to kill up to seven million Ukrainian men, women, and children. While the Holocaust is taught to every schoolchild in the Western world, the atrocities of the Soviet Union have been all but forgotten, except for the millions of family members of victims who still carry the pain of their loss.

German civilians attempting to bury the dead after the firebombing of Dresden

German civilians attempting to bury the dead after the firebombing of Dresden

The firebombing of Dresden is another example of systematic mass murder of civilians done by the Allies that in any sane world would have resulted in international prosecution. The city of Dresden was an evacuation point for German civilians fleeing the bombing of German cities and was full of the elderly, women, and children when the fire bombs were dropped. The bombings were,

“[…] a series of Allied firebombing raids begins against the German city of Dresden, reducing the ‘Florence of the Elbe’ to rubble and flames, and killing as many as 135,000 people. It was the single most destructive bombing of the war—including Hiroshima and Nagasaki—and all the more horrendous because little, if anything, was accomplished strategically, since the Germans were already on the verge of surrender.”

Even Leftist professor Gregory Stanton said “the Allies’ firebombing of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also war crimes – and as Leo Kuper and Eric Markusen have argued, also acts of genocide.”

Regardless of your view of the National Socialists, even very basic research shows that in any fair judicial system most of the post-War trials would have been called mistrials due to witnesses being tortured or coerced into giving testimony, tactics against the Geneva Convention were used against prisoners of war, and the court offering deals to men to give outlandish testimony in return for reduced sentences or their freedom muddies any testimony given in court.

Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone an avowed anti-Nazi and American patriot said “Chief U.S. prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don’t mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old fashioned ideas.”

Charles F. Wennerstrum, an Iowa Supreme Court justice who served as presiding judge in the Nuremberg trial of German generals left the trials stating that he left “with a feeling that justice has been denied.” It is beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Nuremberg trials were Soviet-style show trials. Auschwitz camp commandant Rudolf Höss was forced to sign a confession in English, a language that he did not speak or read, after extended amounts of torture.

Jewish soldiers of the 92nd Field Security Section were guilty of torturing Höss as proven by memoirs of one of the soldiers called Legions of Death, that stated “The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pajamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: ‘Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.”

It took three days of sleep deprivation, beatings, forcing the prisoner to stand in the frigid cold nearly naked for extended periods, and other forms of torture to crack the mind of Commandant Höss into signing a confession, in English, of his supposed crimes. The Cornell University Law School found thatPolice-induced false confessions are among the leading causes of wrongful convictions

After it was released that detainees at Guantanamo Bay were tortured, a CIA investigation found “the use of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of obtaining accurate information or gaining detainee cooperation.” If torture is ineffective today in getting accurate statements from prisoners and in many cases had the detainees lie in order to stop torture, why would we believe that torture was effective after the Second World War.

Psychologists found Rudolf Höss to be a psychological wreck until his execution, proof that the abuse he was given as a prisoner likely worked towards him giving a false confession. Höss confessed to killing ten thousand Jews a day as Commandant of Auschwitz which given just over 1,400 days between 1941 and 1945 that would mean one camp alone killed over 14,000,000 people. Even if those numbers were drastically reduced that would mean that every person alleged to be killed in the Holocaust would have been killed at Auschwitz alone.

Höss’s confession stated that under his direct supervision two million Jews were killed at his single camp, a number that today is discounted by the United States Holocaust Memorial museum that says that between 1939 and 1945 “the camp authorities murdered approximately 1.1 million” at Auschwitz. How then if the official Jewish resources on the subject of the Holocaust say that Rudolf Höss lied in his confession by nearly doubling the amount of dead at the camp during its entire time of operation, Rudolf Höss was one of three separate commandants of Auschwitz, can we seriously believe that his confession was legitimate?

A sign at Auschwitz that was removed in 1990 and replaced with one that said "One and a half million died." The six million number remained the same

A sign at Auschwitz that was removed in 1990 and replaced with one that said “One and a half million died.” The six million overall Holocaust death toll number remained the same

Given all of the ample resources to suggest that many of the convictions and confessions about the Holocaust are in question, why is Germany spending its time and money on hunting down senior citizens for their alleged crimes? Organized Jewish power is pulling the strings on the German government, pure and simple. In order to drum up more sympathy for the Jewish people and to attack nationalism, the European governments are cracking down on supposedly dangerous clerks, accountants, secretaries, janitors, and any German who happened to pass through concentration and work camp gates.

Last year Germany charged Oskar Groening, a 93 year old former accountant at Auschwitz, withwith 300,000 counts of accessory to murder for serving as a guard at Auschwitz.” The crimes he was accused of were being in charging of “collecting and tally money stolen from inmates” and assisting “in removing the luggage of victims.” This is a man who was a teenager at the time and was in charge of counting money and moving things from train cars to processing centers, he is not being accused of shooting, stabbing or gassing anyone, but because he was a German during World War Two, even one doing a menial job, the Jewish elites and their German government puppets believe he should spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Later in 2014 the German government arrested three elderly men accused of working at a concentration camp who “were aged 88, 92 and 94 and lived in the south-western state of Baden-Württemberg, said prosecutors in the city of Stuttgart… Further home raids were carried out at three more locations in the state, as well as at other homes in the western states of Hesse and North Rhine-Westphalia…The German office investigating Nazi war crimes last year sent files on 30 former Auschwitz personnel to state prosecutors with a recommendation to bring charges against them.”

Now just this past week German authorities have arrested a “A 91-year-old woman has been charged with 260,000 counts of accessory to murder on allegations she was a member of the Nazi SS who served in Auschwitz.. the woman is alleged to have served as a radio operator for the camp commandant.” She is being charged with 260,000 counts of accessory to murder because “she helped the death camp function.” This means that in the German governments eyes anyone who pushed a broom, delivered milk to the cafeteria or did anything to make the camp function is guilty of crimes that should land them in prison until the day they die.

German society, flagellating itself for 70 years and counting

German society, flagellating itself for 70 years and counting

The German government is reaching record levels of hysteria to attempt to continue Soviet style show trials for senior citizens who have been law abiding citizens for over seventy years. Government authorities are rounding up people who were barely older than children at the time of the war, shown by the fact that in this newest case the woman will be tried as a minor because she was under 21 when her crimes were allegedly committed.

As part of show trials, an important portion is not just condemning and convicting the accused, but breaking them mentally so that they beg for mercy in front of the public and apologize for what they are accused of committing, whether they did or not. German politics has become a level of self flagellation that would impress a 13th century Catholic monk.

The only way for Germany and all of Europe to fully heal from the brothers wars of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 is to put the past behind us. As long as our enemies can guilt us and make us subservient to their will we will continue to lose the battle for Faith, family and folk. I believe that as long as we are dragging senior citizens out of their homes to send them into a gulag for the crime of counting luggage or mopping a floor seventy years ago we will not have the ability to resist the influence of globalism, modernity and multiculturalism.

To the question about if I am a “Holocaust denier” or other such buzz words the fact is I am interested in the evidence from a historical perspective, but beyond that I really don’t care. Horrible things happen in war, it has been that way for thousands of years. We as Europeans must not be trapped looking back seventy years and arguing, the situation is too dire for that.

Europeans must look forward to the rest of the 21st and the upcoming 22nd century and decide if we are going to accept demographic and cultural displacement. Even if six million Jews were gassed, which evidence suggests they weren’t, that still doesn’t mean that Europeans have to accept genocide for ourselves and the extinction of our culture. Our people, just like every other people has a right to exist in our nations, no matter what happened historically.

The European Union has become a full tool of the globalist elites and has no respect for Identity, sovereignty or the people, as shown by their blatant disrespect towards the elderly in these recent cases. Only a healthy and organic nationalism can honor our history, discover the truth about the past but also pave the way for a future for the European folk. I am not concerned about where we were, instead I am concerned about where we as a people are going.


  • ryu238

    “At the dedication for the memorial, “the Ohio Bicentennial bell was tolled 12 times for the 12 million killed” because apparently the oft-repeated six million killed number has grown a bit stale. Modern American media is always about being bigger, I guess that applies to making statistics bigger as well.” Strawman alert! http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html
    “It took three days of sleep deprivation, beatings, forcing the prisoner to stand in the frigid cold nearly naked for extended periods, and other forms of torture to crack the mind of Commandant Höss into signing a confession, in English, of his supposed crimes. ” no no no: http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar19.html

    “The firebombing of Dresden is another example of systematic mass murder of civilians done by the Allies that in any sane world would have resulted in international prosecution. ” red herring: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Red_herrings_in_Holocaust_denial#Other_atrocities_used_as_red_herrings
    “As the old Polish saying goes, “The Jew cries out as he strikes you.” A casual look at history will tell you that the modus operandi of the Jewish elites throughout history. Jewish banking oligarchs are currently flooding Europe with hundreds of thousands of former ISIS fighters, radical jihadists, and economic migrants looking to leech off the backs of hardworking Europeans.”
    http://researchtheheadlines.org/2015/09/11/the-refugee-crisis-debunking-the-myths/
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=isis%20refugees%20debunked&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCcQFjADahUKEwiQg6akzJPIAhWLOj4KHYeLDHQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fisis-flag-picture-that-claims-to-show-refugees-attacking-police-goes-viral–and-is-a-lie-10501290.html&usg=AFQjCNHbb8jZXb3MDIG7FGq3ZoBKfq4XNg
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/13/1420874/-About-Those-4000-ISIS-Terrorists-Smuggled-Into-Europe-With-Refugees-Story
    So many lies you said.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/gaurivangulik/status/639737502459371520
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/kos-refugees-receive-little-help-and-no-shelter-a-1048190.html
    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2014/08/14/the-isis-leader-was-not-trained-by-the-cia-or-mossad-and-snowden-didnt-say-it/
    “The Guardian reported that “Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children.” With this new pseudoscientific fig leaf we could face decades more of reparations and other programs to give Gentile money to Jewish hands to continue propagating the Holocaust industry.” Except that was recently debunked: http://epgntxeinstein.tumblr.com/post/127416455028/over-interpreted-epigenetics-study-of-the-week
    The authors are pretty careful in their statements, but others have jumped at the chance to draw premature conclusions, particularly science journalists, who either don’t read the paper or lack the expertise to evaluate it. Check out, for instance, this Guardian piece about the Yehuda et al. paper. Its author seems completely unaware of the many problems with the study, and presents no caveats. It’s an example of bad science reporting. Nothing more

    “Last year Germany charged Oskar Groening, a 93 year old former accountant at Auschwitz, with “with 300,000 counts of accessory to murder for serving as a guard at Auschwitz.” The crimes he was accused of were being in charging of “collecting and tally money stolen from inmates” and assisting “in removing the luggage of victims.” This is a man who was a teenager at the time and was in charge of counting money and moving things from train cars to processing centers, he is not being accused of shooting, stabbing or gassing anyone, but because he was a German during World War Two, even one doing a menial job, the Jewish elites and their German government puppets believe he should spend the rest of his life behind bars.” Actually they outright said he was involved in stealing money from the victims in Auschwitz. He himself has talked frankly about working as a Nazi guard at Auschwitz, saying that he witnessed terrible events but denies committing any crimes himself.
    In 2005, he told Der Spiegel magazine about one incident on “ramp duty” when he heard a baby crying. “I saw another SS soldier grab the baby by the legs…” he said. “He smashed the baby’s head against the iron side of a truck until it was silent.”
    He not only admits to the atrocities there but legitimatly feels in his own words moral guilt: http://www.google.com/search?q=Oskar+Groening&sourceid=silk&espv=1&ie=UTF-8#q=Oskar+Groening+moral+guilt
    Sorta puts a damper on the show trial shtick you whine about.
    “A sign at Auschwitz that was removed in 1990 and replaced with one that said “One and a half million died.” The six million overall Holocaust death toll number remained the same” another error: http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/four-million-01.html
    “To the question about if I am a “Holocaust denier” or other such buzz words the fact is I am interested in the evidence from a historical perspective, but beyond that I really don’t care.” Except you as seen don’t seem to care about accuracy. For further example: “Höss confessed to killing ten thousand Jews a day as Commandant of Auschwitz which given just over 1,400 days between 1941 and 1945 that would mean one camp alone killed over 14,000,000 people” which doesn’t show up anywhere but here:
    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/hoess-memoirs/
    “Höss’s most important demographic observation concerns the total number of victims who were murdered at Auschwitz. He gave the total (39) of 1,130,000. “

    • Heimbach’s the history major and he can defend all the details himself. Every time I’ve try to research the matter, I get the distinct impression that both sides are engaging in politicized revisionism and that there are few (if any) trustworthy objective sources. I’m pretty sure that the scope and scale has been exaggerated, and I’m entirely sure that the episode has been shamelessly exploited for financial and political gain.

      I have the following broad questions for you if you’ll indulge me:

      1. Was it advantageous for both the Allies and the Jewish community to exaggerate the scale and scope of the German persecution of Jews in WWII?

      2. Do you believe that exaggeration took place? And if so, to what extent?

      3. Do you believe that the academic, political, and social climate of post-War America and Europe was conducive to arriving at a dispassionate analysis of the extent of the German persecution of Jews in WWII?

      4. Do you personally believe that the prosecution of the pensioner is appropriate and just?

      5. What impact, if any, do you believe the German persecution of Jews in WWII should have on contemporary political discourse?

    • Aaron Gross

      You didn’t ask me, but since this is a public forum I’ll give my own answers to your questions. Like you probably, I don’t know anything about Holocaust history, so I’m not claiming any special knowledge or anything.

      1. It’s always advantageous to bias recent history. But to exaggerate the scale and scope of the persecution? Depends how. Propaganda stories about soap might be politically advantageous. Adding another million or two to a casualty figure already in the millions wouldn’t seem to add much advantage.

      2. I think there was probably an eagerness to believe survivor stories, but that the big errors have been corrected (revised) by mainstream historians (soap, etc.).

      3. Yes. I believe real historians in America at least were able to conduct dispassionate research and analysis. I haven’t heard of pressure within history departments to arrive at predetermined findings on Holocaust research. When historians did present findings that were allegedly politicized and not well founded historically—I’m thinking of Daniel Goldhagen’s Hitler’s Willing Executioners—the reaction among most historians was extremely harsh and critical. Think of Raul Hilberg’s criticism of Goldhagen, for instance.

      4. Yes, for serious crimes.

      5. It should have a huge impact on contemporary political discourse in Germany, France, etc. It should have basically zero impact on contemporary political discourse in America. What should have a huge impact on American political discourse is American atrocities committed during WWII: especially the bombing of German and Japanese cities with the purpose of massacring civilians.

      But the main thing to notice about your questions is that ryu238 gave an empirical rebuttal to Heimbach’s article that relied on historical facts, while you replied with a theoretical, a priori argument that doesn’t address the factual evidence at all.

    • But the main thing to notice about your questions is that ryu238 gave an empirical rebuttal to Heimbach’s article that relied on historical facts, while you replied with a theoretical, a priori argument that doesn’t address the factual evidence at all.

      Agreed. Heimbach opened the can of factual debate about historical details, and ryu238’s detailed rebuttal deserves a detailed counter-rebuttal. It won’t come from me, though, as I’m not a historian and only care about the episode to the extent that it supposedly invalidates my contemporary ethnic advocacy efforts.

      I’ll step aside and let the historians battle it out.

    • John

      -Why no bell toll for the holodomor?(Seriously so many more were killed by communists than supposedly by the 3rd Reich it’s not even funny. I guess that’s another topic though.) Also I can’t help, but love them straw men things folks toss around so much. Why do you disagree with my love of fallacies are you calling me a mean name, your just committing a logical fallacy an ad hominem. On a serious note logical fallacies are legitimately so incredibly lazy it is breathtaking.

      -“Deniers depend very heavily upon Hoess supposedly being coerced and fed a story. But they only have two pieces of evidence:
      A lurid book by one Rupert Butler called Legions of Death. Butler tells of seeing Hoess beaten when he was first found. He makes no mention of the interrogators being Jewish agents in British uniform, of course.
      And most importantly, Butler’s version of what happened contradicts the deniers’ hypothesis that Hoess was fed a story. Butler’s book nowhere mentions Hoess being given a particular story to tell, it simply says Hoess was beaten.
      A piece of hearsay that is supposedly contained in a secret document which the “revisionist” Robert Faurisson is not at liberty to reveal. (And even if it were revealed, it would be the first time the deniers ever accepted hearsay as being valid…)”

      (from the website provided.) Let us consider this, if one were to say that the accounts of 3rd Reich personnel after the war are not untrue because they disagree about things, should not these sources be still taken as sources unverified, thereby making it fairly reasonable to be skeptical about both? Also this whole stupid logical fallacy thing comes up again when your own source hampers the accurate distribution of knowledge by describing Mr. Butler’s book as “lurid”, (to put it simply in terms I’m assuming you can understand they are poisoning the well by showing his work in a bad light, there is truly no need to put “lurid” when describing his book), but fair should be fair right?

      -Was my citation of the Holodomor a red herring? lol “You see,” the shady man says while taking a pull from a cigar, “it puts the whole shoah business as rather light, when you compare all of them Christians getting killed by the firebombs or by our friends the Communists. Just can’t do anything with these goy, give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.”

      -That’s just embarrassing, your sources the 2 first ones I viewed I didn’t bother with the rest for this segment. Are you denying that moslem immigration at least on the face of it is troubling. To be fair I am rather biased, but so were all of your sources that I have got to at this point, so…

      -If Matthew and all of the others were wrong about this one so be it. It could actually be based upon drawing from ill sources, and with the Guardian assuredly being no Daily Stormer, I’ll allow anyone to picture which side of the political spectrum they were on.

      -Mr. Groening for years upon years now has been told to hate himself and revile the 3rd Reich, so as for him saying he is guilty it’s rather understandable (some normal perfectly healthy persons innocent of all crimes admit to guilt without being guilty). Furthermore on your own source (holocaust history(Lucy))Lucy Dawidowicz wrote:
      Many thousands of oral histories by survivors recounting their experiences exist in countries and archives around the world. Their quality and usefulness vary significantly according to the informant’s memory, grasp of events, insights and of course accuracy. The longer the time lapsed [between the event and the testimony] the less likely the informant has retained freshness of recollection. The transcribed testimonies I have examined have been full of errors in dates, names of participants, and places, and there are evident misunderstandings of the events themselves. To the unwary researcher some of the accounts can be more hazard than help.

      Could not the same thing be true for Mr. Groening, he is quite old it’s known by Dawidowicz that as time passes the memory grows foggy even from the “sufferers” could not the same be said of the “persecutors”?

      -Perhaps I could do another, well what ’bout that Holodomor? Why didn’t them Soviets go about telling us folks here in the West about that and all of those folks innocently imprisoned and killed in Gulags and Work-Camps? Were they lying about their own crimes? Could they have made up others? (Note: This by no means is a “false equivalency”, but rather an observation of basic human ethics. The Soviets were keen to hide away their own sins, but to make their old enemy appear evil would be a good propaganda boost for them, it was a win-win potentially.)

      -(That holocaust history thing is a gold mine man. I would seriously suggest not using that source ever again. Nevertheless I have this citation from it,
      “Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):
      During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.)”)That quote alone implies a lie in your second segment… It also doesn’t seem like he was in his right mind, but regardless.

      -I think this was thorough enough, maybe I missed something?

    • ryu238

      “Was my citation of the Holodomor a red herring?” Yes. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holodomor
      “Could not the same thing be true for Mr. Groening, he is quite old it’s known by Dawidowicz that as time passes the memory grows foggy even from the “sufferers” could not the same be said of the “persecutors”?”.it is up to you to prove that.
      “Perhaps I could do another, well what ’bout that Holodomor? Why didn’t them Soviets go about telling us folks here in the West about that and all of those folks innocently imprisoned and killed in Gulags and Work-Camps? Were they lying about their own crimes? Could they have made up others? (Note: This by no means is a “false equivalency”, but rather an observation of basic human ethics. The Soviets were keen to hide away their own sins, but to make their old enemy appear evil would be a good propaganda boost for them, it was a win-win potentially.)”
      Except there was other parties besides the Soviets involved.
      Also
      Just as Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union invaded neutral countries, used forced labor, and deported and murdered myriads of civilians, before, during and after the war. The death toll of just one of these Soviet campaigns, the Holodomor, was much higher than that of the Holocaust. Neither Stalin nor any other Soviet leaders who ordered crimes against peace or against humanity, were ever brought to justice. “Stalin murdered more people than Hitler” is a common red herring, which doubly serves their purpose as the USSR under Stalin was one of the Allied nations – but again, how does this disprove the Holocaust?
      The Holocaust might be compared to the Soviet Gulag system of prison camps. With a total of 14 million prisoners and 1.6 million deaths (exact numbers uncertain), the Gulags were indeed horrible, but at a death rate at 10-15%, it was no extermination campaign. For comparison, death rates among some Jewish national populations, and in some Polish camps, were more than 90%.
      Many Nazi sympathizers and Neo-Nazis make exaggerated claims about the Red Army’s acts of revenge in eastern Germany, as a way of trying to claim that the Allies were just as bad. While there were many murders committed by Red Army soldiers in eastern Germany, there was no extermination policy or encouragement by the officers; such actions were carried out by individual soldiers. The worst atrocities were only committed in the easternmost regions, where the Red Army first made contact.
      Red Army soldiers only killed some tens of thousands of Germans, far less than Nazi atrocities. Deniers often also point to the mass rapes committed by the Red Army, frequently describing them to give the impression that all women were raped, without actually mentioning numbers. The actual number is “only” around 1.5 million. In every case, Holocaust deniers fail to mention any contributing factors for the actions by the Red Army, which is considered profoundly ahistorical for any discussions of atrocities. One day American soldiers showed up and shot several Germans sounds like a much more pro-Nazi version of the Dachau Massacre.
      “Mr. Groening for years upon years now has been told to hate himself and revile the 3rd Reich, so as for him saying he is guilty it’s rather understandable” that is very ad hoc reasoning.
      “”Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):
      During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.)”)That quote alone implies a lie in your second segment… It also doesn’t seem like he was in his right mind, but regardless.” From the same source:

    • John

      -“Dat be’s a red herring, you can’t just go citing that Holodomor stuff and all dem deaths wit Communism and comparing it to de Holocaust. Were people supposedly killed in both? Yeah… Were more allegedly killed in the Holodomor than in the Holocaust yet almost no one knows about it? Yeah, but that’s because Nazi Germany and stuff…”
      I personally don’t watch a lot of David Duke, or even read his books yet imagine my chagrin when I find a website that you trust (first segment citation) saying the following:
      ” The Mad Ravings of a Neo-Nazi”,” taken out of context and warped into my fantasy world” were those really necessary? Is Dr. Duke some crazy neo-nazi that it is okay to bash a lot? Back in Socrates’ day I couldn’t imagine people to be so dense to use anti-fallacy meme words like ad hoc, red herring, poisoning the well, etc. but suffice it to say that your citation was fairly biased. (Even funnier they said Duke was dog-whistling to racists or whomever, rather ironic considering their blatant misuse of his own works.)

      -I utilized one of your own citations to say that obviously since “holocaust survivors” at this late stage should not necessarily be trusted as witnesses, could not, should not the same thing be applicable to their “persecutors”? Or would you consider that a false equivalency? lol

      -Yet according to those that are in different circles than you or even I, make claims that the vast majority of governments and media at the time were run by those said to have been the persecuted minorities. Thereby making it a conflict of interest if anything, or at worst an outright lie to promote a certain version of the events, but that is rather conspiratorial.

      -If the events of the Holocaust were true (which we are currently discussing), and the events of the Holodomor and Dresden bombing were also true. Does this not lead one to consider the atrocities of the Axis minor in comparison to those of the Allied forces or at least relatively equal, and yet in Germany where said Holocaust was supposed to have been inspired it is illegal to even question its truth, and furthermore our knowledge (honestly lack there of) of the Holodomor places some on the fringe section especially considering that in most U.S. High Schools the Holocaust is discussed in length, but the crimes of the Allies and the Soviet Union are not mentioned.

      -“The worst atrocities were only committed in the easternmost regions, where the Red Army first made contact.Red Army soldiers only killed some tens of thousands of Germans, far less than Nazi atrocities.”, “mass rapes committed by the Red Army, frequently describing them to give the impression that all women were raped, without actually mentioning numbers. The actual number is “only” around 1.5 million.” “By February 15, the city was a smoldering ruin and an unknown number of civilians—estimated at somewhere between 35,000 and 135,000–were dead.” (citation for last one. http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden)” Add these little nuggets together and some others we also know about like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, assuming there are yet more that have yet to be disclosed or that I’m missing is more likely and we discover that in War the allies killed or raped about 1.8 million. Not exactly a “small” number.

      -Could not the whole ad hoc thing apply to all of these discussions? If one was to teach a toddler a blue ball was blue, and then impress it upon him the rest of his life up to the age 13 or so the ball was called red, what would he call it but red when in reality it is blue. If you had great times with your father when you were young, but then he died and as you aged you were told he was detestable and vile for the rest of your life would you not in part start to agree with them even if in your heart you knew it to be a lie? This is simple psychology stating that the environment does have an affect upon persons.

      -Actually Hoess claims he was beaten in his own memoirs which you cite here (holocaust-history) and then disagree with here(nizkor)
      Excerpt from nizkor:
      We must consider all information in context. There are numerous other testimonies which confirm the essential facts of Höss’ confession. There are captured documents which speak very clearly of gassing and mass shooting. The list goes on and on; for just a few examples, see the answer to question 1.
      Deniers depend very heavily upon Hoess supposedly being coerced and fed a story. But they only have two pieces of evidence:
      A lurid book by one Rupert Butler called Legions of Death. Butler tells of seeing Hoess beaten when he was first found. He makes no mention of the interrogators being Jewish agents in British uniform, of course.
      And most importantly, Butler’s version of what happened contradicts the deniers’ hypothesis that Hoess was fed a story. Butler’s book nowhere mentions Hoess being given a particular story to tell, it simply says Hoess was beaten.
      A piece of hearsay that is supposedly contained in a secret document which the “revisionist” Robert Faurisson is not at liberty to reveal. (And even if it were revealed, it would be the first time the deniers ever accepted hearsay as being valid…)
      This is direct disagreement from both sources with Nizkor claiming only Mr. Butler and Mr. Faurisson, whilst your other source Holocaust-History stating implicitly that Hoess himself said that he was beaten. (Please see my second to last segment in my previous reply, wherein I directly tell you that these things are at odds, which you took no notice of?) Therefore I told you by your own sources that Hoess was coerced into giving possibly false information once, would it therefore not be impossible to do so again?

      -All of the witnesses for all that we know could have been beaten in the exact same manner as Hoess and or under duress to state such things then and also in their memoirs. Nevertheless eyewitness testimony in court that conflicts is enough to get the case thrown out in some circumstances. Yet, even further eye-witness testimony once realized to have been coerced even if it is by a single witness would cause such ill repute on the prosecutors that I sincerely doubt that they would be allowed to proceed even if they had not coerced the rest of the witnesses because there would be a strong lack of faith in the trustworthiness of the prosecutors or the fleeing strength of the witnesses under such a heavy hand.

      -“If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared.” What information his memoirs? Are they saying that we must trust them because they appeared, or is it stating something much more similar that if the Polish captors put in false things or contorted events that said knowledge of the Polish captors actively falsifying his work would never appear?

      Was he possibly under duress from his Polish captors? Was he in their mercy and would obviously try to please them? Can a man’s word under any sort of duress be given for an admission? If he had denied such things might he have been beaten again and again till he finally did and if he put the beatings by his Polish captors in his memoirs could he have been threatened to be murdered?
      Ever heard how the Duke of Normandy forced the man that was to be the English King to give up his claim for the throne by ill means? Well he did, but when he got back to Britain he nevertheless took the throne, which obviously upset the Duke of Normandy William, which ended in the death of the rightful ruler of Britain. To make a long story short if the King to be was escorted by and forever trapped in Britain once he got there do you think that he would have still claimed the throne or would he try to placate his captors? Can a mans word be trusted under such circumstances?

    • Ok first let us evaluate the confession of Höss, who according to his confession said under his tenure from 1941 to 1943 that he oversaw the gassing of two million Jews. This based on all evidence is a lie. The official Holocaust narrative says that only 1.1 million people were killed at Auschwitz during its entire time of operation from May 1940 to the end of January 1945, this means that Höss confessed to double the amount of people who were killed in his tenure of two years as the entire total who are alleged to have been killed in the four years the camp was open.

      The caption below his confession that is held at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum states “On May 14, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz, signed a declaration stating that during his tenure in office, 2 million Jews had been gassed at Auschwitz and another 500,000 killed in other ways. Hoess overestimated the number of Jews gassed by about 1 million.” At the Holocaust Museum they even admit his confession was not just inaccurate, but grossly so. How would a German officer who was at the highest level of the camp be so incorrect about the day to day goings on at his camp?

      This means his confession from a purely historical and legal perspective is illegitimate because the facts do not match up with it. How and why then would Höss confess to literally millions more murders than he is even alleged to have been guilty of? That fits perfectly however with evidence that German POWs were denied due process and faced coercion and torture at the hands of the Allied interrogators.

      Secondly the bombing of Dresden and other civilian targets in both Germany and Japan are not red herrings, they provide a clear example of how the Allies truly had no moral high horse to sit on in judgment of the German officers and soldiers. War is horrible and bad things happen on both sides, but the idea of international criminal courts charging the leaders and even rank and file soldiers with crimes is a mid 20th century invention.

      After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation by British historian Giles MacDonogh also outlines how Allied authorities from the Soviet and Western zones used rape, torture, starvation and other crimes against the Geneva Convention to punish not the National Socialists, but all German people. The Allies also used mass internment, forced relocation and even outright genocide on Germans after the war. As Mark Weber points out “Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the war were women, children and elderly — victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide, and mass murder. Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots.”

      Much of the evidence presented about the Nuremberg Trials is suspect at best and the fact that both during and after the war the Allied forces used tactics that involved mass rape and even genocide of ethnic Germans in areas of Europe shows clearly that the Allies have no room to talk about human rights during the time period of the Second World War and the post-war period.

    • If “aggressive war” was the crime pinned on the Germans isn’t it also odd that the US authorities even admitted that the post-war period was full of the Allied violating human rights of millions of Eastern Europeans who were forced under the Soviet boot but also the Allies were abusing prisoners and civilians alike in Germany. Chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson privately acknowledged in a letter to President Truman found in Jackson letter to Truman, Oct. 12, 1945. State Department files. Quoted in: R. Conot, Justice at Nuremberg (1983), p. 68.that the Allies “have done or are doing some of the very things we are prosecuting the Germans for. The French are so violating the Geneva Convention in the treatment of [German] prisoners of war that our command is taking back prisoners sent to them [for forced labor in France]. We are prosecuting plunder and our Allies are practicing it. We say aggressive war is a crime and one of our allies asserts sovereignty over the Baltic States based on no title except conquest.”

  • John

    Needs more Zyklon B, but otherwise another good article. Well done Mr. Heimbach.

  • EricStriker

    Good piece. The “eye witness testimonies” from Jews that allegedly proved the Holocaust at Nuremberg were largely affidavits, IE, they weren’t taken under oath. That’s where all these fairy tales about lampshades and human soap (and shrunken heads, and pedal-driven brain-bashing machines,etc) come from, yet today even the Yad Vashem in Israel was forced to admit the lampshade story is a lie after pressure from revisionists.

    The reason it seems only people in extremely old age get taken to stand trial for these bogus crimes is because they do not possess the capacities to adequately defend themselves. If they would’ve tried this non-sense in the 1960’s when these people were still lucid, eventually the pattern would emerge that the holocaust is nothing but atrocity propaganda.

    • Louis Marschalko

      Not to be picky, but an affidavit is a sworn statement.

      An affidavit (/ˌæfɨˈdeɪvɨt/ A-fə-DAY-vət) is a written sworn statement of fact voluntarily made by an affiant or deponent under an oath or affirmation administered by a person authorized to do so by law.

    • EricStriker

      Affadavits get thrown out of US courts as a rule as hearsay. The Germans on trial couldn’t cross-examine the Jews accusing them of turning their parents into lampshades, and if you go through the often contradictory and preposterous Nuremberg affadavits which you can find online, you’ll see exactly why this is a problem.

  • Incog Nito

    The fact that they go after elderly people who are not even accused of having done anything sinister is just more proof (even though it isn’t needed) that the gas chambers never existed, except for clothes disinfection. How come they never hanged or jailed those who ran the gas chambers? If they are ready to send elderly former luggage carriers to jail, you would think they would have hanged the Germans who operated the gas chambers. But they never did. They hanged Rudolf Höss, but that’s only one person. They say he was a witness. We are also given the names of the “witnesses” Kurt Gerstein and Miklos Nyiszli. That’s only three false witnesses. That’s not enough. If there were any truth to their lies, we would have thousands of credible witness accounts by Germans (letters sent by the soldiers to their families, denunciations, memoirs, and so on). Instead, there is nothing. We don’t even have the location of the burial sites. Six million people, and no one saw anything, except the three false witnesses, with their faulty claims.

    The revisionists have tons of evidence proving that the gas chamber tales make no sense. But we don’t even need their help to see that the Jewish accusations are absurd: as part of the plan to kill all Jews, the Germans decide to keep them in concentration camps for a few years? WTF?

    The persecution of elderly people and the false accusations against today’s nationalists are obviously in keeping with what the Jews did at the Nuremberg show trial. And the dirty tactics used by the Jews in their fight against revisionists are the same being used against the anti-replacist movement. What is so typical of them isn’t just the intimidation and the censorship, it is their blatant and complete dishonesty in debate.

    The elderly Germans who are being persecuted can’t even be properly defended. Their lawyers would be sent to jail!

  • Incog Nito

    The Jews who believe in the 6 million story obviously don’t believe in it because of anything Rudolf Höss said. They just know in their bones that it happened. But even so, Rudolf Höss seems to be their central witness. He is the proof of the 6 millions. Every Jew says his grandmother was gassed in Auschwitz, but unlike them, Rudolf Höss was actually in Auschwitz, and if you press the Jews for evidence of their lies, they will cite his name!

    Apart from him, there is also a debate about the meaning of the German word “ausrottung” once used by Himmler in reference to the Jews. It is used to support the claim there had been a decision to kill all the Jews. The question is whether “ausrottung” means destroying Jewish power, or whether it mean killing them all. Of course that is a ridiculous debate. We can’t imagine that an historian would try to determine whether WW2 happened or not based on a particular word used in a speech. That kind of absurd debate is proof that there is no proof.

    Each one of their pathetic proofs actually illustrates the lack of proof. The arrest of elderly men is also proof that the whole thing is a sinister joke. I’m sure it’s impossible to read a serious inquiring newspaper article about it. The torture and hanging of the cartoonist Julius Streicher is proof that they couldn’t find anyone having operated homicidal gas chambers. The publicity given to Rudolf Höss simply reminds us that there would have been thousands of corroborating witness accounts if there had been anything true to the gas chamber stories.

    No one would ask for proof that WW2 happened. We don’t need any proof since we know it happened. But the real reason we don’t need proof is that we are awash in it. There are many people still alive today who were around at the time. Similarly, the Jews should try to explain how they know that gas chambers where used to kill millions of their own. It’s not good enough to say that they just know it happened, or that most rumors have some truth to them.

    They don’t even have a stable theory of what happened. They used to say that the Germans unashamedly kept administrative track of every atrocity they committed against Jews. Now, it seems some of them say the whole thing was a secret operation. That would explain the lack of proof. But that isn’t credible either. You cannot kill 6 million people secretly without leaving any trace. And unless you have Jewish psychic powers, you cannot know that something happened if you don’t have the slightest indication that it did.

    By comparison, in the USSR, where hordes of judeo-bolsheviks enthusiastically killed millions of Christians throughout the 1920s and 1930s, there is no lack of evidence. You don’t need psychic powers to know what happened there. I think it was partly reported in the newspapers while it was happening.

    Also, if their new claim is that a handful of Germans surreptitiously gassed and incinerated 6 million Jews, they should stop blaming the whole country for it.

shoah

By: Matthew Heimbach



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