Does Islam Actually Justify Islamic Extremism?


Does Islam Actually Justify this Extremism?Tragically, a gang of bloodthirsty savages, whom many of us Muslims call “Khawarijites“, took the lives of eleven innocent people. Many people are pointing their fingers at multiculturalism, Islam, and immigration; …and of course, there are those who are claiming this is a “false flag.” None of these answers are necessarily wrong. Certainly, broken mass immigration policies, a twisted interpretation of Islam, and likely outside involvement are part of the problem.

Those dimensions of the event are already being discussed, but what exactly is the “Traditionalist” dimension of this event? Should we accept the claim of these “Islamic extremists” that they’re even Islamic at all? As a Muslim, especially as a Shiite Muslim, I have nothing but contempt for them and I pray every day for their destruction. True Islam cannot possibly justify these actions, but it can point toward a just solution. A world of cooperation between Christians and Muslims is commanded by the Quran. History has shown that not only is this possible, it happens every day.

Guenon, Schuon, Nasr, and Dugin, four luminaries of the Traditionalist School have written about how within the confines of modern religion exist two extremes. One extreme is of course the “modernized” form of religion, which reduces everything to allegory and to cultural relativism. On the other end are the fundamentalists, who are founded on the same root as the “liberal” believers. They both reduce religion down to its base meaning. For the fundamentalists, they are like the prisoners in Plato’s cave, they only care about what they can quantify. For them, religion is only a box of rules and rituals. They don’t care about actually being spiritually fulfilled, about traveling through the higher spheres of being until they achieve a state of spiritual perfection.

Something unique to those who have a modern religious mentality (be they on the left or right ends of the spectrum) is that they are less concerned with the salvation of their immaterial souls and more concerned with the success of religion in “this” life and “this” reality. This is not to say that the “Orthodox” or “Traditional” way is complete apathy and aescetism, for the Prophet (saws) said “Strive for this world as if it never ended, strive for the next as if the world ended tomorrow.” Rather, so-called “cultural believers” rather they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or Hindu, only identify with their religious tradition because it provides for them a need to be part of an identity. It is their ancestors’ religion; they have not experienced the touch of an angel or the light of God that puts them on the right path.

Religious Traditionalism, or Orthodoxy, emphasized the importance of becoming one with God. In Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism, this doctrine is known as Theosis, whereas for Sufism this is known as achieving a state of perfection called “marafat.”

Aleksandr Dugin has aptly called Devils like ISIS “Islamic Protestants”. Their heresy is a rebellion against the commandments of God. Modernism, rather it be in liberal or conservative forms, destroys the spiritual bliss of any religion by transforming it into an ideology. Shiite Islam is not an ideology, nor a political movement. The sacrifice of the Prophet’s grandson, Hussein Ibn Ali (as), permanently separated the Imamate, the true lineage of the Prophet’s successors from any action taken by those who would call themselves “Muslims.”

When the holy Imam went into battle, only a small handful, only 72 of his most faithful companions went with him. The majority of the Muslim ummah had chosen to either follow the usurper Yazid (la), or desert the Imam in his time of need. The allegiance of every faithful Twelver Shiite Muslim is only to the Twelfth Imam. It does not matter to me what the actions of some, many, most, or all the Muslims do or what they decide on. It does not matter what the Ali Khameni, Sistani, or any other “Marja Taqlid” says is the law. There is no rightful authority besides an Imam, in the sense of someone related by both blood and spirit to the Prophet Muhammad (saws). The current and last Imam of the age exists hidden from those of us in the material world, and all faithful Shiites await his return.

As a Shiite Muslim, the only response I have is that the recent barbarisms in Paris, as well as the actions taken by devils like ISIS, al-Queda, and the like is that it is completely inexcusable. Those who committed these acts need to face the full wrath of both the law and God. Not just these individual perpetrators, all who brandish the flag of violent extremism and perpetuate mass-murder whether they are in France, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Chechnya, or Afghanistan.

If the Prophet (saws) is a role model for Muslims, then Muslims should emulate him by enduring and ignoring those who insult him. Those who have truly committed blasphemy are not the cartoonists, be they in France or in Denmark, nor even Pastor Terry Jones or Fred Phelps. The true blasphemers, the true enemies of God are those who have betrayed and brought hatred on everything they claim to believe in. Had these satanic beasts read and understood their own scripture; there is no possible way they could have committed such barbarous acts. The Holy Quran, as well as the traditions of the Prophet recorded in the books of Hadith makes it clear that the responses for those who insult God and his Prophet are to be ignored.

  • “The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).” (The Noble Quran 24:54)”
  • “If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)”
  • Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Noble Quran, 18:29)”
  • Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)”
  • “Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)”
  • “O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.” (The Noble Quran 5.9)
  • “And do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites but do not harm them, and rely upon Allah . And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.” (The Noble Quran 33:49)
  • A group of Jews asked permission to visit the Prophet (and when they were admitted) they said, “As-Samu ‘Alaika (Death be upon you).” I said (to them), “But death and the curse of Allah be upon you!” The Prophet said, “O ‘Aisha! Allah is kind and lenient and likes that one should be kind and lenient in all matters.” I said, “Haven’t you heard what they said?” He said, “I said (to them), ‘Wa ‘Alaikum (and upon you). (Sahih Bukhari volume 9, book 84, number 61)
  • As if I am looking at the Prophet while he was speaking about one of the prophets whose people have beaten and wounded him, and he was wiping the blood off his face and saying, “O Lord! Forgive my, people as they do not know.” (Sahih Bukhari volume 9, book 84, number 63)
  • A man came to the Prophet and demanded his debts and used harsh words. The companions of the Prophet wanted to harm him, but the Prophet said, “Leave him, as the creditor (owner of the right) has the right to speak.” (Sahih Bukhari 3, Book 41, number 586)

These are only a few of the verses that demonstrate that those who assumed themselves to be avenging the Prophet (saws) are only blaspheming against him and God.

Regarding Christian-Muslim relations, there are those who think of Islam as the enemy of Christianity and Western Civilization. While tragedy has certainly struck relations between our faiths; it doesn’t have to be this way. There have been times in both history and in the modern day where Christians and Muslims have stood side-by-side. The first begins with the Prophet Muhammad (saws), who vowed that Christians would be under his protection. His first wife, Hazrat Khadija (ra) had a Christian cousin who was a mentor to the Prophet (saws) in his youth.

When the Muslims were initially persecuted by the Meccan Pagans, the first place which they took refuge was in the Christian kingdom of Ethiopia. During the Prophet’s reign in Medina, Christians lived and thrived under his protection. Christian travelers were even allowed to practice mass within the Prophet’s Moque in Medina. In fact, a letter survives detailing the Prophet’s letter to the Christian community. He promised that not only would the Christians be forever under his protection, but that anyone, it does not matter their position, would invoke the wrath of God if they dare harmed the people of the scriptures.

“This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disobeyer and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection.”

So there we have it, any Muslim who fails in his duty to protect his Christian brethren has invoked the curse of God. Those who are persecuting Christians in the Islamic world, or those who are harming and defacing Churches in Europe are violating the commandments of God and his Prophet. In fact, destroying churches is an act specifically rejected by the Quran, because God’s name is in them. Even when the Prophet (saws) entered Mecca, victorious over the pagans, he protected a picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary (as) and the Prophet Isa (as), while he cleared the Kaabah of all pagan idols.

Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah – For had it not been for Allah’s repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty.”

Furthermore, for Christians to have been in a state of exodus now, it means that they were living with Muslims for generation after generation. While relations were often strained, there were also often instances of cooperation. For example, take the combined might of Muslims and Christians in Syria and Iraq. The brave Syrian army, made up of faithful Muslims, Sunni and Shiite alike, have scored numerous victories against the scum of ISIS and al-Nusra, putting their lives on the line rescuing Christians from the dogs of hellfire.

In Iraq, the combined might of the Iranian military and local resistance fighters have been driving back the vermin who have been destroying churches in spite of the teachings of the Quran. Furthermore, not only has ISIS been targeting churches, they have also been targeting shrines sacred to both Sunni and Shiite Muslims. They leveled the grave of Prophet Yunus (as) and have threatened to destroy the third holiest site of Shiite Islam, the grave of the Prophet’s successor Imam Ali (as), as well as the grave of the Prophets Adam (as) and Noah (as).

Outside the Middle East, Muslim-Christian unity exists among Albanians. The Christian former Janissary George Skanderbeg is a revered hero for Albanian Muslims. Throughout Christian Europe during the middle ages, George Skanderbeg was seen as the hero who prevented the Ottomans from sacking Europe. Among the Bektashi Sufi order, a Shiite Sufi order based in Albania, who are quite culturally European, as evidenced by their music, revere Skanderbeg with an almost religious fervor.

There is a popular legend that a Bektashi dervish blessed Skanderbeg’s sword, vowing that the Turks would never penetrate Europe as long as the Sword was in place. Legend has it that the Sword rests in Vienna, which is why the Ottomans could never breach it. To return to the question of Russia, despite what anyone may say, the majority of Russia’s vast and diverse Muslim population is loyal to the motherland. In the previously referenced article, Aleksandr Dugin has stressed that Islam is a part of Russian civilization, and that what is needed in Russia is an alliance between Orthodox Christians and Muslims against the threats of Globalism.

While the monstrosity of the Paris attack, as well as the violence perpetuated by vipers like Baghdadi invokes the anger of every civilized person, I hope that I can reach an audience who will understand that not only are these rats contrary to true Islam, but that we can come together in common ground against these vermin.


  • Edward

    Not bad. There are definitely some good points about Islam, and unlike most other European nationalists i don’t think there is anything particularly evil about it. The real war right now is of traditionalists against the globalist Jew. Once we win, everyone will go back to their own living spaces.

  • I wonder if the readers of this site will agree with Dugin or with John Damascene.

    John Damascene on Islam:

    There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist. They are descended from Ishmael, [who] was born to Abraham of Agar, and for this reason they are called both Agarenes and Ishmaelites. They are also called Saracens, which is derived from Sarras kenoi, or destitute of Sara, because of what Agar said to the angel: ‘Sara hath sent me away destitute.’ [99] These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. [100] And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, [101] devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration…

    Moreover, they call us Hetaeriasts, or Associators, because, they say, we introduce an associate with God by declaring Christ to the Son of God and God. We say to them in rejoinder: ‘The Prophets and the Scriptures have delivered this to us, and you, as you persistently maintain, accept the Prophets. So, if we wrongly declare Christ to be the Son of God, it is they who taught this and handed it on to us.’ But some of them say that it is by misinterpretation that we have represented the Prophets as saying such things, while others say that the Hebrews hated us and deceived us by writing in the name of the Prophets so that we might be lost. And again we say to them: ‘As long as you say that Christ is the Word of God and Spirit, why do you accuse us of being Hetaeriasts? For the word, and the spirit, is inseparable from that in which it naturally has existence. Therefore, if the Word of God is in God, then it is obvious that He is God. If, however, He is outside of God, then, according to you, God is without word and without spirit. Consequently, by avoiding the introduction of an associate with God you have mutilated Him. It would be far better for you to say that He has an associate than to mutilate Him, as if you were dealing with a stone or a piece of wood or some other inanimate object. Thus, you speak untruly when you call us Hetaeriasts; we retort by calling you Mutilators of God.’…

    As has been related, this Mohammed wrote many ridiculous books, to each one of which he set a title. For example, there is the book On Woman, [109] in which he plainly makes legal provision for taking four wives and, if it be possible, a thousand concubines—as many as one can maintain, besides the four wives. He also made it legal to put away whichever wife one might wish, and, should one so wish, to take to oneself another in the same way. Mohammed had a friend named Zeid. This man had a beautiful wife with whom Mohammed fell in love. Once, when they were sitting together, Mohammed said: ‘Oh, by the way, God has commanded me to take your wife.’ The other answered: ‘You are an apostle. Do as God has told you and take my wife.’ Rather—to tell the story over from the beginning—he said to him: ‘God has given me the command that you put away your wife.’ And he put her away. Then several days later: ‘Now,’ he said, ‘God has commanded me to take her.’ Then, after he had taken her and committed adultery with her, he made this law: ‘Let him who will put away his wife. And if, after having put her away, he should return to her, let another marry her. For it is not lawful to take her unless she have been married by another. Furthermore, if a brother puts away his wife, let his brother marry her, should he so wish.’ [110] In the same book he gives such precepts as this: ‘Work the land which God hath given thee and beautify it. And do this, and do it in such a manner” [111]—not to repeat all the obscene things that he did.

  • True Roman Catholic

    This is awful, This proves that your supposed “Counter-Revolutionary” Orthodoxy is wrong. How dare you allow Muslim to write on a website which goal is to defend Traditional Christianity. Not only do you allow him to write, but you also let him quote his dammed koran. Islam has been condemned by the Holy Mother Church almost since its inception. They invaded Catholic Spain and brought their heresy and paganism with them. It took 800 years to drive the Muslims back to Africa. I am a Roman Catholic who firmly denounces this and urges the leaders of this group to delete the essay. Otherwise, you cannot any longer be considered a movement based on God, but upon the Devil.

    • tradyouth

      TradYouth’s ultimate goal is to promote a geopolitical global ideology and alliance of Traditionalism in opposition to the current neo-colonial globalist Masonic hegemony. There’s consistently been confusion about TradYouth, owing understandably to its leadership and most motivated supporters being White and Orthodox Christian, that it’s a specifically White and Christian project. It’s not. It never has been and it never will be.

      If we can’t set aside our political (not theological) differences and learn to work as a united front of traditions and traditional identities with the widest possible array of traditionalists and traditions, then we’ll all be crushed under the boot of Modernity. There are several loud voices within Orthodoxy which insist that Catholicism is a wicked heretical faction, that the Pope is the anti-Christ, and that the Catholic Church has been at war with Orthodoxy for hundreds and hundreds of years. They insist that I should stop providing a platform for schismatics and heretics who are of the Devil. Should I heed them, too?

      I believe Orthodox Christianity is the one true faith. I believe you are in grave error, that you should reject your papal supremacy and your filioque, and return to the one true church, my church. I believe that Islam is also even more incorrect, and that Muslims should turn from the Koran and follow only Christ. That’s my religion. I’m not a perennialist or New Age spiritualist who believes all the religion are equally truthy. I believe in mine and mine alone.

      And, yet, my religion, and your religion, and George’s religion will all choke if we don’t learn how to work together on some level (without compromising our respective religions with false ecumenism) to oppose Modern secular liberal hegemony.

  • James

    What an absolute load of rubbish.

    Muslims have been invading europe long before the existence of any globalist machinations. This, today, is just an extension of the previous islamic imperialism that is inherent to the religion, and europeans can never progress until they’re all expelled from our land.

    • tradyouth

      Muslims have been invading europe long before the existence of any globalist machinations.

      Yup, and both Europe and the Islamic World are both more threatened by these recent globalist machinations than they’ve ever been by one another. Our Crusades pierced into the heart of the Middle East, but they survived. Their invasions swept into both Eastern and Southern Europe, but we survived. The Greek nation has been more existentially threatened by a few decades of globalist rule than it ever was by several centuries of Ottoman rule.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Matt Parrott hits the nail on the head with his comments. Sometimes we don’t see the forest for the trees. Islam is a heresy, according to Orthodoxy – but technically, so is Papism and Protestantism. The problem is that the further we get away from Traditional Society formats, the more folks that are Traditional – whether heretics, pagans, or whatever – will rebel against the Modern World

  • I’m not a perennialist or New Age spiritualist who believes all the religion are equally truthy. I believe in mine and mine alone.

    As long as you and your comrades consistently cite people like Guenon, Evola and Dugin to support your position, you will be mistaken for being perennialists. Also, you all frequently use language and ideas directly taken from the perennialists, which is odd if you claim to reject the main theoretical foundation of perennialism: the shared origin of all religions in the primordial tradition. All perennialist ideas of cooperation amongst the different traditions is premised on their supposed unity. Once you have rejected this foundation, it doesn’t make sense to still use perennialist arguments for political reasons.

    Are there any orthodox saints who support the idea of an alliance between christians and muslims? If not, it would seem that tradyouth is siding with the perennialists.

  • Cobbett

    It’s not Islam but Islamic immigration(along with all Third World immigration) Most of the paedo gang rapists in England are Muslim in name only. They have more in common with the Negro culture of America than Mecca. They must be removed because they are what they are, not necessarily because they are Muslim(10 million African ‘Christians’ would be just as disastrous)

  • The Greek nation has been more existentially threatened by a few decades of globalist rule than it ever was by several centuries of Ottoman rule.

    But there were countless Christian communities in the near East and North Africa who met their final end at the hands of Islam. Just because Satan has found a more effective ideology in modernism, that doesn’t mean that we should make alliances with older satanic ideologies.

  • An observer

    I’m with Clement on this one. The Orthodox Church needs to be able to stand alone and not have to rely on the support of others. We have our own spiritual wells to drink from that can help us make it through, we don’t need to sup from the poisoned ones of the heretics, infidels and heathen.

    Co-operation can lead to ecumenism. It’s the thin end of the wedge.

    • tradyouth

      Ecumenism is fine when it’s not false ecumenism.

      There’s a defining difference between compromising on doctrine and forging practical political alliances.

      The fact that Clement and I are virtually indistinguishable in our political and religious orientations relative to the White Americans we wish to reach, and are at each others’ throats over theological differences rather than working together on what we do agree on, and all of us are pretty much powerless because we can’t organize, underscores my point that we’re going to have to find a way to work together without compromising our respective faiths.

      At the risk of indulging Clement’s fondness for the founders, we must figure out how to hang together or we’ll surely hang separately.

  • Seppo

    The current mass immigration of muslims to Europe is driven, to an extent, by sionist wars and people like Barbara Spectre and her brethren.

  • I agree that the current state of conflict amongst white advocates is unfortunate, but I don’t think that the problem can be fixed by simply calling for people to “set aside their differences”.

    As I recently said on a different website:

    The problem is that these different groups don’t just disagree, they actually blame each other for the problems we face.

    Neo-pagans blame liberalism and zionism on Christianity.
    Christians blame the apostasy of the white race from our traditional faith for the punishment we’re suffering at God’s hands.
    Catholics blame modernism on Protestantism.
    The Orthodox blame modernism on Protestantism, and also blame the Catholics for creating the atmosphere that brought about Protestantism.
    Guenonian-Evolians blame our problems on Enlightenment science, which riles the Darwinian HBD types, who think that our problems will be solved by a greater emphasis on Darwinism and Enlightenment thinking.

    When I hear someone like Linder or Cesar Tort talk about Christianity, it seems like Christians are being labelled as enemies.

    When Greg Johnson says that all opposition to pederasty is Jewish, it seems like Christians are being labelled as enemies.

    When listening to Heimbach’s “Death to America” speech, it seems like eveyone who supports the founding fathers and classical republicanism is being labelled as an enemy.

    Personally, I believe that all of the evils facing the West today are God’s punishment for our collective apostasy from Christianity. If you have a Biblical view of history, I don’t see how you could come to any other conclusion. In that sense, I do view the neo-pagan and atheist white nationalists as part of the problem.
    If we ally ourselves with people like Linder and Johnson, we can’t seriously claim to oppose the Jews because they are antichrists, because Linder and Johnson are certainly antichrists as well.

    It’s depressing, but I don’t see how there can be cooperation amongst such an ideologically diverse group.

    • tradyouth

      There’s a pivotal difference between insisting that somebody is wrong and insisting that somebody is an enemy. We need to develop a language for and habit of performing the former at liberty without necessarily implying the latter. Contrary to popular belief, I’m not promoting or endorsing a “hug box” approach, and I don’t see added value in papering over our differences to arrive at a lukewarm position which pleases nobody and lacks coherence.

      The orthodox Orthodox position is more accurately described as blaming Catholics for becoming so corrupt that the Reformation was an inevitability, with the Protestants themselves as misguided reformers. Personally, I ascribe to the Tripartite Traditionalist Blame Model (yes, I just made that terminology up) wherein corruption and doctrinal errors within the Catholic Church receive 1/3 of the blame, gentile peasant merchants hungry for power and engorged with colonial wealth receive 1/3 of the blame, and conspiring Jews receive 1/3 of the blame, primarily as catalysts who seized the organically emerging tensions between the Ancien Regime and the emboldened peasantry to promote their own anti-Christian, anti-White agenda.

      It’s depressing, but I don’t see how there can be cooperation amongst such an ideologically diverse group.

      If there can’t be cooperation, could there at least be a minimizing and deprioritization of internecine conflict? For instance, you and your project could promote a positive pro-White, pro-Christian vision of the founders and their republic, while we’re over here putting them on blast? And if either of us feel we must respond, perhaps we could strive to be as respectful as possible while doing so?

      I understand that bomb-throwers like Linder and and Tort aren’t going to agree to such terms and won’t hold their fire. And responding in kind to hostility is necessary and appropriate at times. But perhaps there could be a broad and vague gentleman’s understanding between the rest of us identitarians and traditionalists who strongly disagree with one another to keep crossfire to a minimum while we’re all being routed by a rather unified and aggressive anti-White and anti-Christian common enemy?

  • Lew

    Please George. According to one eye witness account, when the Islamic butchers finally breached the walls of Constantinople, the Christian blood flowed like rain in the gutters. What do you have to say about that?

    You Christians will soon be paying the jizya at this rate. Mohammed believed in making religious minorities who fell under Muslim control (the ones who didn’t die screaming under Islamic knives) pay the jizya in return for protection.

    • tradyouth

      Lew,

      You Christians will soon be paying the jizya at this rate.

      In fairness, the Christians aren’t the only faction which stands accused of prioritizing easy internal targets over difficult external targets.

  • There’s a pivotal difference between insisting that somebody is wrong and insisting that somebody is an enemy. We need to develop a language for and habit of performing the former at liberty without necessarily implying the latter.

    I’m curious, would you view the “Death to America” speech as an example of this? That speech doesn’t just spit in the face of the founding fathers, but in the face of every American nationalist, from Gerald Smith to Rockwell, who defended the founding fathers and their vision. Crying “death to America” would certainly imply that all self-identified Americans are enemies. Furthermore, that speech wasn’t directed just as orthodox Christians or monarchists, it was directed at American white nationalists in general, so I think it’s fair for any pro-white American to dispute its claims, and to do so in equally harsh terms.

    I don’t think that it’s possible to cooperate with the anti-Christ right, for both theological and practical reasons. In many, if not most, parts of America today, even democrats have to pretend to be Christian in order to be elected. The idea of an anti-Christian political movement taking off here is just ridiculous.

    I do think it’s possible for Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants to work together. We saw an example of this in the 30s, with the cooperation between Coughlin and Smith. As far as I know, however, Coughlin, while staying faithful to Catholicism, never blamed Protestantism or the founding fathers for our problems. Had he done so, I doubt he would have been as popular.

    Do you really think that there can be successful political cooperation between monarchists and republicans? Between people who want to defend the American identity and those who want to destroy it? What would that cooperation look like?
    It seems like you’re interested in building a coalition that respects muslims, occultists and pederasts, while traditional Americansim is to be insulted and defamed.

    • tradyouth

      so I think it’s fair for any pro-white American to dispute its claims, and to do so in equally harsh terms.

      Dispute away, but our goal is to drag “white nationalists” into the 21st century.

      The idea of an anti-Christian political movement taking off here is just ridiculous.

      You don’t seem to have researched how rapidly mass opinion can and does change, even on pivotal issues. The dramatic and rapid sea changes in attitudes about interracial and gay “marriage” is one such example. A cursory review of the population which actually matters in terms of our goals surviving ourselves, millennials and below, confirms that we’re really not even dealing with a Christian nation with that audience, and that our insisting on Christianity actually goes against the irreligious and “spiritual but not religious” instincts of our target demographic.

      As far as I know, however, Coughlin, while staying faithful to Catholicism, never blamed Protestantism or the founding fathers for our problems. Had he done so, I doubt he would have been as popular.

      Yes. Up until recently, it made more strategic sense to package identity in conservative and innocuous rather than revolutionary and radical terms. Due to the demographic sea changes, that’s no longer the case, and our messaging and strategy could perhaps afford some post-Coughlin reconsideration in light of his fate and our circumstances.

      [Successful cooperation] … [b]etween people who want to defend the American identity and those who want to destroy it? What would that cooperation look like?

      It would look like you promoting your vision on your website, inclusive of critiquing my vision, and ourselves promoting our vision on our website. In the somewhat unlikely and certainly not imminent event that our projects are both successful and tangible real world movements with only enough political room for one to survive, then that’s the appropriate time to consider investing a considerable amount of time and energy in subtracting from alternative identitarian projects rather than adding to one’s own.

  • An observer

    Clement, I just noticed that you have your own site. Where we might disagree in some important spiritual and theological points, I commend the work you’ve put on there. Some excellent resources for those who are trying to raise awareness of the Jewish issue.

  • Fr. John+

    Mr. Parrott:

    I clearly have been GRAVELY deluded that you and your writers are standing for Narodnost, Christendom, or even Western/White Man, until today.

    Your comments, and the allowance of a God-damned (literally) Moslem/Hagarene on this site, is nothing short of utter blasphemy. If the website of an individual can be compared to a window into one’s soul, then the adage of Scripture-

    “What fellowship hath Christ with Belial?”

    means NOTHING to you. If the Orthodox writers on this blog stand with you, they are no better than the Tarazis and Gilquists of the modern age. While I wonder at the poster (using a false Nordic name) writing as a Moslem (and his sanity) if he is truly an Anglo/White/European, I could pray for his conversion to Truth. If he is an Arab, well, he is merely indulging in the ‘cultural faith of his fathers,’ as he has insulted the Theanthropic Faith known as Christianity.
    The non-Whites see the cultural expression of Christianity and consistently fail (even most White Christians, and all non-Europid Christians never do) to grasp the INCARNATIONAL aspect of the taking on of Human Flesh by the Son of God. IF Christ incarnated OUR flesh, OUR ethos, then OUR race, OUR ethos (the very word for the nations that the Apostles converted to Christendom) is divinized… but NOT that of the ‘xenos.’

    If this truth is not grasped, we are engaging in mere protestant rationalizations of the faith, and failing to see that ‘Christ came to save HIS PEOPLE from THEIR sins.’ [Matt. 1:21]Modern apostate multiculturals hate this truth, and have led ‘even the very elect astray’ from the reality that to be a European Man, is to be a Christendom man, and that the ‘foreknowledge of God’ did this, ‘for his own good pleasure,’ to paraphrase. If the promise of Galatians 4:29-31 is true, the ‘sons of the slave’ will NEVER share in the ‘inheritance of the son.’ There is an incarnational aspect to THAT, that Christendom once knew of, and the last Paleologos Emperor knew, when he called the Hagarenes ‘brute beasts’ and dogs, and called his own race, ‘True Men.’

    I therefore would rather stand with the saints, instead of the Modernists of ANY stripe, who have no truck with the fallacy that Islam and Orthodoxy worship the same God. They do not. Mr. Pulaski’s quote of St. John Damascene is the voice of the True Ecumene.

    Your voice (if you sincerely feel allowing a Moslem/Hagarene thought space on this forum is somehow condoned by either Christ, or holy Mother Church) bespeaks an uncertain trumpet. Which is not a good thing, at all! May God, the True God of the Christians, lead you to repentance, and a change of heart. Prelest comes in many forms, Matthew. Let this not be yours.

    • tradyouth

      I therefore would rather stand with the saints, instead of the Modernists of ANY stripe, who have no truck with the fallacy that Islam and Orthodoxy worship the same God. They do not.

      I don’t believe Muslims worship the same God. I’m not being Modernist or Perennialist. I’m working to construct, along with Dugin and several others, a geopolitical response to Modernity which draws together several diverse and distinct faiths against the Zionists and Modernity.

      I’m sorry you feel that I’ve compromised my faith in any way. I believe that I have not.

  • Mosin Nagant

    ISIS is not a ‘Protestant Islam’ but a Globalist (Globalist-created or -assisted) Islam. Fr John, one minor correction: ‘Skanderbeg’ is not a Nordic name but Albanian, and therefore not inappropriate for a Muslim author. It becomes clear that Tradyouth is pan-religious, or pan-‘traditional’, not essentially orthodox. Most if not all ethnic traditions might be preferable to Globalist secular uniformity, but there is only ONE truly RIGHT tradition. Is there now any orthodox website that treats current political and economic issues?

    • tradyouth

      Most if not all ethnic traditions might be preferable to Globalist secular uniformity, but there is only ONE truly RIGHT tradition. Is there now any orthodox website that treats current political and economic issues?

      I felt like we made it rather plain with this site’s mission statement and with the rollout of Avalon that Avalon is our inner core of White Orthodox Christians and that TradYouth is a separate project, led by them, which seeks to build a coalition between the Christian denominations and also with entirely separate faiths against Modernity. I apologize for any confusion, I guess…

  • Mosin Nagant

    Re: ‘prelest’: Notice this blog devoted to the subject of spiritual delusion: http://oprelesti.blogspot.com/2012/01/spiritual-discernment-in-orthodox.html

  • our goal is to drag “white nationalists” into the 21st century.

    So Tsarist Russia and King Arthur’s court are the wave of the future, while American populism is just stuck in the past? I can understand that you have an ideological or theological commitment to monarchy, but I can’t see how you could seriously argue that monarchy is the obvious choice for the 21st century.

    You don’t seem to have researched how rapidly mass opinion can and does change, even on pivotal issues. The dramatic and rapid sea changes in attitudes about interracial and gay “marriage” is one such example. A cursory review of the population which actually matters in terms of our goals surviving ourselves, millennial and below, confirms that we’re really not even dealing with a Christian nation with that audience, and that our insisting on Christianity actually goes against the irreligious and “spiritual but not religious” instincts of our target demographic.

    Well, anything could happen. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t use recent trends to predict what is most likely, and a complete rejection of Christianity by Americans seems very unlikely. Jewry has been trying to stamp out American religiosity for decades, using the full might of the supreme court, the mainstream media and the public school system, but American religiosity just refuses to die (not that it hasn’t been severely damaged). Maybe we have different ideas on what segment of the population is our target demographic. I’ve met plenty of red-state blue-collar millenials who revere the founding fathers and take offense to attacks on Christianity (even though they don’t live particularly Christian lives). These are the only millenials I’ve known who get married at a relatively young age and are producing large numbers of white children, all of which makes them our target demographic. Personally, I’d guess that Americans embracing monarchy en masse is about as likely as the whole country converting to Islam. But of course, either could happen.

    Yes. Up until recently, it made more strategic sense to package identity in conservative and innocuous rather than revolutionary and radical terms. Due to the demographic sea changes, that’s no longer the case, and our messaging and strategy could perhaps afford some post-Coughlin reconsideration in light of his fate and our circumstances.

    I agree that we should openly declare ourselves to be revolutionaries, but the vision of the founding fathers is revolutionary. This revolutionary nature is obscured when people (including the writers at this site) promote the middle-school textbook version of the founding fathers (“they just didn’t like taxes and wanted everyone to be equal”). The founding fathers were incredibly pro-white, very strongly in favor of traditional European civilization, and supported what would be considered “authoritarian” enforcement of public morality. They also based their system on the organic harmony of different social classes and functions, which is very reminiscent of the fascist/ns approach to social order.
    http://www.dailystormer.com/more-lies-about-american-freedom-virtue-liberty-and-republican-harmony/
    http://www.dailystormer.com/commander-rockwell-on-the-founding-fathers/

    As for Coughlin’s fate, I think the main lesson to be learned is that one shouldn’t be obedient to an obviously compromised church hierarchy.

    • tradyouth

      I can understand that you have an ideological or theological commitment to monarchy, but I can’t see how you could seriously argue that monarchy is the obvious choice for the 21st century.

      Monarchy is very broad, and there are ways to arrive at a monarchy which accounts for the several confirmed flaws in simple monarchy which have been raised and demonstrated over the centuries. I encourage you to google Symphonia, for starters.

  • Bulan Sabiel

    Because the people who call for the destruction of America as the Great Satan, Shia Iran, and who want to conquer the world for Islam (all Muslims, save perhaps Ahmadis) will surel recognize borders.
    Pay no attention to the increasing number of “no go” areas of Islamic colonies in formerly Christian European countries or Dearbornstan in America.

    • George Skanderbeg

      I take it you have visited the wonderful city of Dearborn MI, I have several times. It is not a “no-go” for Christians or anyone else, if fact, I saw Christian Churches servicing different cultural backgrounds, including some groups of Christianity which I had never seen outside books or the internet. Such as an Armenian Orthodox Church. I also saw Ukrainian and Polish centered Catholic Churches, as well as a fair share of Arab Christians. The Arab-American Museum centered in the city was not an expression of celebration of Islam, but of Arab Culture, giving equal time and attention to both Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, as well as Arab Druze. One time I visited the museum in fact, a room with an exhibit they shift every so-often, was dedicated especially towards Arab Christianity. There were very many beautiful religious mosaics and tapestries depicting Christian themes, one breathtaking painting portrayed Christ casting the rebel angels out of heaven, and the angels gradual transformation into demons.

      I also take it you don’t know any Iranians, either ones who live within Iran or those in the United States. The average Iranian would rather go to the United States then chant “death to America.” The psuedo-Ayatollah’s who rule Iran have a limited time left in power, the “death to America” logo is as emptry as the vows to fight radical Islam from the Republicans within the United States. The only thing which gives the Mullahs a margin of respectability among remnants of the old-guard revolutionaries who are dwindling with age is that they are the only thing between the Iranian people and American imperialism.

  • Bulan Sabiel

    I see that you will run propaganda from the people who have subjugated, slaughtered, and raped their way through the Byzantine Empire and who claim the right not only to reconquer any territory ever even nominally held by Muslims, but who have made it their theological goal of subjugating Dar al-Harb (the entire non-Muslim World).

    Are you going to run a piece by a Traditionalist Zionist Jew next? No country is more attacked by the UN and NWO than Israel. I look forward to such a piece, but will not hold my breath.

    • tradyouth

      No country is more attacked by the UN and NWO than Israel. I look forward to such a piece, but will not hold my breath.

      Don’t hold your breath, but only because Jews, apparently down to a man, are hostile to our identitarian and traditionalist vision.

  • Donovan Bass

    This is a good question you ask. I too wonder whether a piece by a Traditionalist Zionist would be acceptable.

  • An observer

    “Ecumenism is fine when it’s not false ecumenism.”

    This is false ecumenism though, especially when such an alliance is based on such an ill-defined term as ‘tradition’, instead of ‘Tradition’. Maybe there’s some traditionalist Mexicans down in the Yucatan who are ripping out peoples’ hearts and hoping to carve out their own little Aztec nation.Would you stand together with those guys?

    I don’t go for the whole ‘ecumenism in the trenches’ nonsense. As Orthodox Mike has loudly and clearly proclaimed multiple times on this site, our problem is spiritual. We can’t unite ourselves in any way with those who contradict the Truth of the Orthodox Faith. The unseen warfare does not have practical political alliances.

    Now, using a made-up example, if Pakistan and India were to band together to defend their national integrity from, say, China, this would be a practical, political alliance. In corporeal warfare, such alliances make sense.There would be no talk, however, of Islam and Hinduism joining forces to defeat the forces of Communism.

    The spiritual struggle does not have a place for such compromises. The Orthodox Christian nation, and the various peoples that it consists of, is not a political entity anymore and has no need for tacky alliances with Muslims, Jews or whatever. The Greek Orthodox nation, for example, if it rediscovers the true Orthodox life and is guided by true Orthodox bishops and elders, would survive as well in some pan-European conglomerate as it did under the Turkish yoke. What we need is repentance and a return to the Tradition of the Church.

    Our battle is to save souls, which can be done only by preaching the truth of Orthodox Christianity. A ‘united front’ with heretics and infidels is doomed to failure – just think of how stupid it would be if every Jehovah’s Witness who came to your door was accompanied by a Mormon, or even worse, someone from the Muslim Brotherhood. They all recognize that we need to be saved, but how is such a ‘united front’ going to help anyone?

    Now, I have enjoyed recent discourse on this site but am betraying my name, and shall now return to observing.

    • tradyouth

      Now, using a made-up example, if Pakistan and India were to band together to defend their national integrity from, say, China, this would be a practical, political alliance. In corporeal warfare, such alliances make sense.There would be no talk, however, of Islam and Hinduism joining forces to defeat the forces of Communism.

      Hence the partition between TradYouth and Avalon. TradYouth is an exoteric geopolitical organization intent on building a pan-traditional alliance against Modernity. Avalon, which leads TradYouth, is rigorously Orthodox, Christian, and reserved for a singular “White American” identity.

      You have conceded that there’s a time and place for a vulgar practical political alliance between completely incompatible traditions. You have correctly noted that such an alliance must not be theological in nature.

      I think a careful consideration of how we’ve structured things and how we’re going about them confirms that we’ve also thought these things through, and are exceedingly mindful of the importance of preserving our Orthodox Faith without compromise while engaging in the messy business of politics.

      A ‘united front’ with heretics and infidels is doomed to failure

      You just stated earlier that united fronts with heretics are necessary and appropriate if they’re kept entirely in the political sphere.

  • Ezra Pound’s Ghost

    “The real war right now is of traditionalists against the globalist Jew. Once we win, everyone will go back to their own living spaces.” I can’t for the life of me figure out why so many people in our movement can’t figure that out. The “muslims-are-the-root-of-all-evil” crowd are being manipulated and operated like little children by the Jewish MSM narrative machine. It is absolutely sickening to see the New Right jump all over the “free speech” dog pile like a bunch of bitches in heat. These people want to talk about free speech when the Christ-denigrating Hebdo got what it arguably had asked for, yet where is the New Right when it comes to defending the jailed and harassed World War 2 revisionists? I’ve haven’t seen an article on Revisionism in any of the New Right Media in the last 3 years.

  • An observer

    “You just stated earlier that united fronts with heretics are necessary and appropriate if they’re kept entirely in the political sphere.”

    Political alliances are between nation states, not religious groups. You missed my point entirely that the current problems that we are up against are spiritual. The whole tide of modernism, decadence, revolution, globalism and all they entail, is a spiritual war that must be waged with spiritual weapons. They are all the result of apostasy and the work of the devil. Repentance, spiritual renewal and the spread of the Orthodox faith are the only things that can roll back the disastrous changes affecting society at large. We’re not going to prevent or delay the coming of antichrist with political action, only repentance and firm adherence to the Orthodox faith. Tactical ‘interfaith alliances’ are not going to solve our problem, they’re already a part of it. Do you think the early Christians, when faced with extermination at the hands of both the Roman Empire and the Jews, arranged alliances with Gnostics and Manicheans? Of course they never – they clung to their faithful bishops, saints and elders. We’re in a similar position and should do likewise.

    Avalon is a pipe dream and any attempts to subvert or secede from the coming Order will be crushed. We need to be realistic and prepare ourselves for the coming persecution of the Church, not getting distracted by attempts at carving out our own little plot of land and celebrating the Sarum Rite. Blessed Seraphim Rose said “Today Russia, tomorrow America.” He was right, and that tomorrow is getting closer now. “It’s later than you think. hasten, therefore, to do the work of God“. The time for political action is over.

    • tradyouth

      Political alliances are between nation states, not religious groups.

      Both TradYouth and Avalon are political, not religious, groups. Avalon’s exclusive to a particular religion, and aims to defend and promote that religion. Kind of like how Pakistan is a state which aims to defend and promote Islam.

      The whole tide of modernism, decadence, revolution, globalism and all they entail, is a spiritual war that must be waged with spiritual weapons.

      I didn’t miss your point. I waited for you to drive your point home to its end goal: apathy and inaction instead of stewardship and struggle. You don’t have a point, only a false dichotomy between the Inner Crusade and the Outer Crusade. One peculiar thing about Ameridoxy which is distinct from Orthodoxy is that it exists simultaneously as a gnostic doomsday cult for people with unpopular opinions and a hands-on social justice culture warrior’s creed for people with popular opinions.

      To find out whether your opinion is popular or not, just ask your nearest Ameridox adherent whether one should share and act on the opinion, or whether one should drop the opinion altogether in favor of desert asceticism. Try to find an Ameridox admonishing environmentalists to cease and desist their stewardship and defense of nature, on account of the imminent Eschaton. You won’t find it, because such admonitions only get trotted out to browbeat identitarians and trads back into the closet.

      Throughout the Church’s history, a variety of strategies and tactics have been relied upon in a variety of contexts to defend and promote the Church. Plenty of Saints fought the enemies of the Church with far less restraint and concern for being peaceful than I’m showing, and none of them got there by admonishing men and women to desist from stewardship and struggle in favor of prayer and fasting alone. And not even the angels in heaven know the exact hour, so it’s arguably prelest to insist with such certainty that the end is nigh.

      Circling back to the Islamic theme of the post, I’m reminded by all these demands (and you’re hardly the first) to cease struggling for the survival and security of my people in the name of God and Piety of a popular Arabian saying: ‘Trust in God, but tie your camels.’

  • An observer

    Please, you need to be careful about throwing accusations of prelest around, it doesn’t reflect well on newly-enlightened members of the Church.

    I’m neither American nor Ameridox. I am a European, a patriot, a nationalist, a traditionalist, and probably find Ameridoxy more abhorrent than you. My own opinions have been taken from the writings of such luminaries as Blessed Seraphim Rose, Blessed Elder Paisios, and other contemporary holy men of our times, as well as soul-profiting conversations with married priests and monastics from traditional Orthodox countries, including the Holy Mountain. Accusing me of prelest is to accuse these men, whose thoughts and opinions have helped shape my own. Here’s some wisdom:

    “Today’s situation can be resisted only spiritually, not by worldly means”
    https://christconquers.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/elder-paisios-against-zionists-and-cowardly-orthodox/

    “But why should we speak of the end of the world? Are we really living in the last times of this world? Why do we bind together the future of Russia and the end of the world? Even secular writers speak of our “apocalyptic” times. And truly, the problems that plague the world today — the exhaustion of resources and food, overpopulation, the literal monsters created by modern technology, and especially weapons capable of destroying entire countries or even the whole civilized earth — all point to the approach of a crisis in human history quite beyond anything the world has ever seen, and perhaps to the literal end of life upon earth.”
    http://www.sfaturiortodoxe.ro/orthodox/orthodox_advices_seraphim_rose_the_end_of_the_world.htm

    I’m hardly walking around with a ‘The End is Nigh’ cheeseboard, only echoing what has been repeated for years. My solution was “Repentance, spiritual renewal and the spread of the Orthodox faith”, which is hardly “apathy and inaction instead of stewardship and struggle”. Spiritual activism is what will save souls and turn back the tide of apostasy.

    Please, don’t try and lump me in with the modernisers and leftists, simply because we disagree on this issue. I have consistently defended TYM’s traditionalist stance, not only with my occasional posts on your site, but also in conversations with those who are opposed to your noble task of defending Tradition. I even informed traditional clergymen when the Angliochians turned on you, to try and gather support, so I’m definitely not anti. We merely disagree on the efficacy of political activity and collusion with heretics and infidel when it comes to existential issues like those we have at hand. The Orthodox members of TYN remain in my prayers, so let’s agree to disagree on this issue and wish each other a blessed Nativity season. Christ is Born!

    NOW I will go back to observing, having let pride get the better of me.

    • tradyouth

      I’ve hyperventilated into a paper bag, taken a chill pill, retracted the prelest accusation, and granted you the benefit of the doubt on your motives.

      My solution was “Repentance, spiritual renewal and the spread of the Orthodox faith”

      That’s our solution, too, with a tribalist and politically engaged twist which we believe is necessary and appropriate given the nature of the attack on our people and our faith.

    • I think pride gets the best of us all. Matt’s initial response to you was very ‘unMattlike’, and I am glad he responded again. Our struggle is indeed first and foremost a spiritual one. In my opinion, yall are both ‘right’. Ephesians 6 tells us the truth about our struggle. Yet, the material follows the spiritual on this plane of existence. We are not called to be Gnostics or Materialists. It’s a balance that we walk, always having to remember that all is nothing without Christ.

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