An Orthodox Person’s Theological Analysis of Interracial Marriage


monks_light_family“If it is a source of joy and glory to men to have children like unto themselves – and it is more agreeable to have begotten an offspring then when the remaining progeny responds to the parent with like lineaments (characteristics)– how much greater is the gladness of God the Father, when any one is so spiritually born that in his acts and praises the divine eminence of race is announced!” –The Treatises of St. Cyprian of Carthage, p 1012.


For centuries it was just assumed that people of differing nationalities would naturally seek a spouse from among their own tribe or ethnos. And until modern times this was by and large the universal practice of both Christians and non-Christians alike. What has changed this in recent times is the ongoing march of Cultural Marxism, aka Political Correctness, in both the education system by day and the television system by night. We are now at the point when the above statements would be taken by most people as an affirmation of racism and hatred. Yet, in the not so distant past these views would have been taken as common sense and natural, as well as, demonstrating patriotic love for one’s own people.

“For just as each animal mates with its own tribe, so it is right that each nation should marry and cohabit not with those of another race and tongue but with those of the same tribe and speech.”  –Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, Page 75 of the English translation of “DE ADMINISTRANDO IMPERIO.”


So what is “natural?” Well, according to most dictionaries it would mean according to nature. Nature would, of course, refer to how the created world works. We, as Christians, see creation as an act of God; nature is something that He designed in His infinite Wisdom and continues to sustain. In Genesis we see that God brought forth creatures to reproduce after their own kind and therefore the attraction that one subspecies has toward members of it’s own kind cannot be denied. As the Wisdom of Sirach says, “Every creature loves it’s like, and every man his neighbor; all living beings associate by species, and a man clings to one like himself” (Sirach 13:15).  Or as the old expression goes, “Birds of a feather flock together.” It becomes strange for one specific kind to be attracted to a member of a different kind. So much is this the case that the book of Tobit calls it an act of pride for a person to wish to marry someone of a different tribe. One could even make the argument that it violates the commandment to honor thy father and mother, especially in the case where the father would forbid such a marriage.

“I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents.” –Jared Taylor on the subject of interracial marriages.

Not only is it problematic for the reasons mentioned above, but it also becomes a more serious problem when one considers the implications it would have if everyone started to intermarry. In the words of Father Stanley Harakas, “The Church holds that nations were created by God. Consequently, total intermarriage would destroy the races which God created. The Church has never advocated or encouraged racially mixed marriages.” And, I would say, with statistics stating that people of European descent (Caucasians), will plummet to a single digit (9.76%) by 2060, the European race’s destruction may become a reality.  As for those “Orthodox” Internationalists whom would claim nationality (race) is a social construct, I provide the words of one of the twentieth century’s foremost theologians. Fr. Dumitru Staniloae, helps us understand in his Orthodoxy and Nationalism:

“A man pure, without nationality (race) is an abstraction. Since there cannot be an apple without the genetic determination of a certain kind, it is more evident that there cannot be a man without individual national (racial) determination.”

As a personal aside, I believe that such cases where interracial relationship occurs it is usually the case of some sort of “forbidden fruit lust” where a man or woman is thumbing his or her nose at their parents and heritage.  I cannot read a person’s heart, but if this is the case it would certainly be sin against the love of father and mother.


  • SimplyFred

    White females are barely 2% of the world’s population. The white birth rate is below replacement levels.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Well, get married and have babies! That’s what every traditional and identitarian person should be doing.

  • Fr. John+

    Ortho Mike- that’s all well and good, but what kind of parents would we be, bringing innocent babes into a world so evil and full of incarnational sin?

    Better to work for the restoration of Christendom, and then we can (like the ancient Israelites, after dispensing with the ‘goyim’) dwell secure under their own fig trees, in our ‘green and pleasant lands.’

  • Orthodox Mike

    I just don’t think you can bitch about plummeting white birth rates and how we are dying off, and not have kids.

  • Little Guy

    I must say there is only one thing any of us can do, and that is continue to have faith in the True God, and follow his rules. If people like you and me continue to avoid interracial marriage, then we are doing our part. People of these times would ridicule the Orthodox Church if we try to do more than avoid doing the unnatural ourselves. This ridicule could potentially turn away people who are searching for God’s infinite love.
    I must also tell you Ortho Mike, having more white babies will not fix the problem. We should set an example for everyone else to follow, (by marrying among our own kind). It needs to be a change in ideals, not baby making rate.

    Blessings.

  • Fr. John+

    “I just don’t think you can bitch about plummeting white birth rates and how we are dying off, and not have kids.”

    I wasn’t. but I understand where you are coming from….

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    You people are real deep theological thinkers, I can see that. So, now that Heimbach isn’t commenting for you any more, you don’t come out and use the “Nazi” word, but you’re still Nazis. I’ll go one step further: those of you who pretend to be Orthodox priests in this conversation, if you share these views, you need to have the ever-loving shit knocked out of you. In Russian and in Greek Orthodoxy we have Fools for Christ. I didn’t realize that there was a category called “assholes for Christ.” By the way, I use my real name, because I speak the truth. You people are chicken shits, and that goes double for the clergy.

  • John

    Name calling and profanity. You liberals are such profound thinkers.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Hey Werner, how about critiquing the actual contents of the article and its Patristic quotes? There’s a novel idea, huh? No, yall can’t do that, yall rely strictly on emotion and political correctness and post Enlightenment thought.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Tell me, “Orthodox Mike” [what a bunch of bullshit]. What does your confessor say about it? How about your bishop? I don’t need to engage in polemics on it, because the Church already has.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Yes, the Church already did is correct. And the Fathers correctly talked about the Deicides, about blessings and curses, and about identity, and we do not violate this. Maybe your modernist academia in pseudodoxy don’t like it, but so be it. Orthodoxy doesn’t revolve around Schmemann and Puhalo, thank God!!!!

  • Kyril Klimakos

    Whether or not a modernist priest disagrees with you on a topic is irrelevant if the Church Fathers agree with you. A lot of modernist bishops and priests are Ecumenists and Unionists, but the Saints of the Orthodox Church were strictly Anti-Ecumenist and Anti-Unionist. There were many times in Church history when bishops and priests departed from the True Teaching of the Church. When bishops and priests teach falsely they simply do not represent the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church.

  • Orthodox Mike

    The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and the bones of priests. -St John Chrysostom

  • Orthodox Mike

    ‘The Legionaries were a blessing from God’ – Fr George Calciu of Blessed Memory

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    So I have many concerns about this article and that it attempts to coop the Orthodox Church into this view.

    Regarding the quote” how much greater is the gladness of God the Father, when any one is so spiritually born that in his acts and praises the divine eminence of race is announced!” What race is the gladness of God the Father? When ANYONE is spiritually born..that his acts..indicating he has been born a new person..and who were the Apostles sent out to preach the Gospel to and make disciples of???? ALL NATIONS. Those who are united to Christ..make sense?

    Then your quote of Sirach…if you look at the verse above it, it says, Every living creature loves its life, and every man his neighbor….who is my neighbor? I think the conversation about bishops also needs to be examine..what do the Apostolic Fathers say about Bishops? Ignatius? Clement, and Polycarp? Etc..I suggest it is very valid to ask who your Bishop is and it should not be understood as an insult but rather a way to confirm you are in fact in the Orthodox Church. The fact the Church has never condoned something is not a valid argument form silence in my opinion…it simply means that we marry Orthodox people to Orthodox People..no matter the race or nationality. The comment from Fr. Dumitru I would say you may be taking him out of context but I have not read that particular work so I will hold comment until I can.

    • tradyouth

      .I suggest it is very valid to ask who your Bishop is and it should not be understood as an insult but rather a way to confirm you are in fact in the Orthodox Church.

      It surely has nothing to do at all with the orchestrated campaign of threats and public attacks that target any and all clergy who are perceived (correctly or not) to offer us refuge.

      Do you or do you not think that the simple act of honoring and preserving one’s ethnic identity is a grave sin in the Orthodox Tradition warranting immediate denunciation and excommunication? Yes, or no, Father?

  • Kyril Klimakos

    Father, In the first quote I was putting the emphasis on “it is a source of joy and glory to men to have children like unto themselves” and the naturalness and Godliness of this concept. It is natural to desire to have children that look like us including racially. This is not denied by the Church. Do you deny it?

    In the Sirach quote I put the emphasis on, “Every creature loves it’s like.” Again this is according to nature, the nature that God created.

    Since I do not consider this issue to be a dogmatic or spiritual one, I do not consider my bishop’s opinion on it to matter much since he is a man and men have opinions on lots of things. And even if I did, he is not infallible. Are you and your bishop infallible?

    Father, in your opinion, do you believe race exists? And if so do you believe God created the races? And if so are they worth preserving? Would the world be just as well off if one race ceased to exist? Or do you think God doesn’t care about this issue at all?

  • Orthodox Mike

    This was once attempted in the distant past… It was called the Tower of Babel. The first time a faceless, raceless, attempt at globalism was launched. Father, with all due respect, you can say we are taking Sirach and St Cyprian out of context all you wish.. I suppose there’s another Globalist context I should take Tobit 4 in also? And would you denounce such great Orthodox men like Frs George Calciu and Justin Parvu, who were unapologetic Legionaries and never denounced the Legion, even until the end of their days? Or the much quoted great Russian Saint, John of Kronstadt, who belonged to the ultranationalist Black Hundreds? You have to understand, loving your own ethnos and wanting to preserve it as being a part of the unique mosaic that God created isn’t the same thing as hatred or supremacy. It isn’t considered bad when nonEuropeans do it. Why is it horrible when those of European descent do it? Why are just OUR people a ‘social construct’? The hypocrisy of the modern world boggles the mind.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    To try to paint this question in a yes or no question I think is one of the issues. What does, “Honoring and preserving” entail? That is where we can start to talk about the contours of the issues. Orchestrated campaign makes it sound as if you are “victims” and perhaps that is the underlying psychology at play with this type of question. It seems to me that you and your following are upset because what you thought was Orthodox was not and you got called on the carpet for it. That is hard for anyone to take. So show me how “honoring and preserving” does not turn into racism. Perhaps that is the underlying desire or maybe your mission and purpose attracts those types. I do not read anything here does not seem to be a soft of Tom Metzger or the like. Was what you guys putting out and your refusal to turn away from worthy of excommunication…Your Bishop thought so! That is how this thing works.

  • Kyril Klimakos

    Father, since you do not speak for the Church as a whole, in fact you probably speak for the worst part of it, I feel totally free to disregard your analysis of this article.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      You guys are truly amazing, and have a real good command of euphemism as well. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you. If you don’t want to mix with Blacks, don’t do so. Why make a big issue out of it for anyone else? I’ll go ahead and fly with a couple of questions you’ve posted. Forget what some Romanian may or may not have said: our Lord said it differently, and so did the real Church Fathers, none of whom were Legionaries. There is no racial distinction. I’ll had the scientific background: because there are no genetic markers which differentiate race. Now, let’s get back to those of you who have the temerity to reject priests and bishops. What gives a bunch of kids that right? Once again, not a Legionary, but a real Church Father, said “Where there is the Bishop, there is the Church.” Personally, I really like your role models. Heimbach, a pudgy fat ****, talking about racial superiority is quite amusing. And getting his theological support from the KKK and the Nazis. Real good move. And all of the rest of you using fake names. Just like real Nazis. You are demonstrably imperfect physical and mental specimens, yet you can’t resist your outbursts. It was as Lyndon Johnson pointed out, white trash need their ******* to look down upon. Hey, Fake Greek deacon, tell me one thing: what are you afraid of? “Orthodox Mike” What are you afraid of? And you fake priests out there, what are you afraid of? I know what you’re afraid of: not all of us Orthodox are pussy priessts like the one who received Heimbach. If he had been received at my parish, I would have loudly objected, and spit upon him. Nazis need to be stomped. We can say a Trisagion afterwards, but they still need to be stomped.

  • Orthodox Mike

    You still didn’t answer my question. Was Frs George Calciu and Justin Parvu of Blessed Memory, and the great St John of Kronstadt, WRONG for being ardent and unapologetic nationalists for their peoples? I don’t believe any differently, and I am quite insulted to be compared to such a Nietzschean charlatan like Metzger. I was schooled in my faith initially by Old World traditional Orthodox monastics and clergy, Elder Justin Parvu via his spokesman being one of them (Memory Eternal). I think your Americanism is clouding your thoughts on the issue, since we were conceived by post Enlightenment, Classical Liberal Masons and Deists, and radical egalitarian beliefs and hatred of aristocracy is the crux of the founding of this proposition ‘nation’.

  • Orthodox Mike

    As an afterthought, Father, how do you feel about the Afrocentric Orthodox group, Society of St Moses the Black? I do not have a problem with it, but believe I am entitled to the same benefits without ignorant condemnation.

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    Which benefits would that be, “Orthodox Mike?” The Brotherhood (not Society) of Saint Moses the Black is a small and integrated group (about 30% of their membership is white), and does not have silly objectives like creating a racial homeland in the United States, nor as miserable a sense of history as these clowns. They are also not out on the street trying to cause trouble. But then, no one in that society has to hide under a fake name and no one in that group is ashamed to mention their bishop’s name. Perhaps it’s because they’re not completely full of shit?

  • Orthodox Mike

    Or perhaps it’s the ridiculous double standards in this godforsaken land. How about that? By the way, I suggest you read Fr George Calciu : Interviews, Talks, and Homilies. It may enlighten you to be a truly ‘enlightened conservative’, as you like to describe yourself.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Request and suggest all you want when you become a real person, “Orthodox Mike.” I have a hard time taking suggesting from persons who are such chicken shits that they can’t even stand up for their own beliefs. By the way, for those priests – if they indeed are priests – like that on this board, I would love to slap some sense into both the priest and the pussy bishop who tolerates them, but they are cowards just like you are and won’t come forward.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    Mike and Kyrill

    My comments were directed towards Matt Parrott response. I should have addressed it as such. Kyrill, I find it a tad Ironic that you dismiss my comments while carrying the title of the article as it is.

    Mike as far as the Brotherhood of St. Moses the Black I think it is wonderful and I submit this statement taking from their website.

    “Over two thousand years ago, a young Virgin and her Child found refuge in Africa from threatening forces. Since that time, Christianity has developed extensive roots in Africa. St. Anthony and the Desert Fathers kept the Church from worldliness and preserved the mystical gifts. St. Athanasius helped write the Creed. St. Cyril kept the Church from dishonoring Christ and His Mother. The African Martyrs gave the Church courage. The African Mothers gave the Church philosophers like St. Katherine. The hermitesses like St. Mary of Egypt and St. Sarah of the Nile showed the path of contrition, redemptive suffering and repentance.

    In modern times, there is a renewed fountain of ancient Orthodox Christianity. It is flowing throughout the entire world. This flow of spiritual life does not negate the rich tradition already developed in the crucible of suffering and the triumphs of character in America. Rather, it beckons all Americans to row into deeper waters – the waters of the ancient Christian movement. This has been kept alive in the Eastern Orthodox Church.”

    You will note how they point to such themes as The Saints, The Tradition of the Church, The Martyrs, Repentance, and the Eastern Orthodox Church. They do not focus on being black, African, but Orthodox. They address Americans and call them to discover the Orthodox Church…I see this as commendable.

    Mike..I will have to do some reading before I can respond to your question about Elder Justin and Fr. George.

    In Christ

    Fr. Matthew

  • Orthodox Mike

    We love our European culture too, and personally, would love everyone to be Orthodox as well. You say they do not focus on being Black… Then why does it even exist? There are plenty of Orthodox groups already in existence. Charities, societies, and the like. Well, I, too, am proud of Europe’s role in Christendom as well, just as they are proud that Our Savior and His Holy Mother fled to Africa (albeit it wasn’t subSaharan Africa, but no matter).

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    Most Western Europeans do not consider Greeks to be Europeans, any more than they consider Turks to be Europeans, and frankly, the people who call themselves Greeks today have more shared genetic markers with Turks than they do with classical Greece. Likewise, most Western Europeans consider Romanians to be not a whole lot better than that. Almost anyone with a measurable IQ considers Legionaries to be scum. Not just the Romanian ones, but the Russian and Serbian ones as well. Extremism is not needed, and frankly, if it is to be right wing fascist “Orthodoxy or Death,” I’m all for helping them find the way to death. Let’s get serious, “Orthodox Mike.” Why does it bother you that there’s a society? What difference does it make? It’s not divisive. It doesn’t call for any anti-Orthodox action. By the way, unlike your very vocal fat **** Matt Heimbach, I am physically fit, a trained and decorated soldier, and Orthodox too, and would have no problem extending the right hand of Christian fellowship to you – in either way.

    • “I am physically fit, a trained and decorated soldier, and Orthodox too”

      Congratulations, join the club. From one (disabled) vet to another (not disabled) vet, don’t throw around the I’m-a-soldier card like it’s really going to win you the argument. The only thing that that I’m-a-soldier cards are _really_ good for is getting a free meal at Applebee’s, Texas Road House, Chili’s, and Golden Corral on Veterans Day.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Tom, I threw out that card because the violent Nazis in the form of Matt Heimbachj are NOT people who ever served their country. They are troublemakers.

    • Implying that the only way that men or women can serve their country is through military service.

      I’m pretty sure that God blessed the troublemakers. They’re the only ones who ever get anything done.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Not implying anything of the sort. I am stating that self-professed Nazis are not serving this country and need to have the everloving shit kicked out of them.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Murika. Legionaries were scum, huh? You disgrace the memory of some of the best and holiest monastics and clergy the 20th century ever saw. Wave the red white and blue flag of Masons and Globalists, and cheer on your own destruction… Oo ra…

  • Fr. John+

    Hey, SCHMUCK face. [Answer a fool according to his folly… Proverbs]

    I don’t fear you, nor do I respect you. With a name like yours, I doubt you would even have an Orthodox phronema, let alone the pneuma. Of course, with the vulgarity and foul language, it’s almost a given you aren’t regenerate.
    Clearly, you don’t know, nor do you respect Holy Scripture, or the Fathers. At least the Word is clear:

    “Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
    20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
    21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
    22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.” Ps. 139:19-22

    You clearly come on here, graceless and senseless like any common dog, and expect to be treated as a human?

    Thus, my calling a spade a spade (or a kike a kike)- you don’t DESERVE the respect of a Christian, let alone a gentleman. But that’s typical of liberals, sodomites, and Deicides: they are ALREADY ontologically racially, culturally, and religiously at the bottom of the barrel. You clearly have never read St. John Chrysostom’s cutting remarks and denunciations in his sermons, and talks, against the same type of cochons like you, during his lifetime.

    You also don’t know the first thing about confession, absolution, and a clear conscience. Perhaps you have been brainwashed these last sixty plus years by the Jewsmedia, to actually think you know either Christendom, or American culture, prior to 1962. Therefore, to dare to question a person’s soul, his state of righteousness (Do you fast, do you pray, do you even CARE for Christ!?) is nigh unto blasphemy. As the article on atavistic, altruistic, and academic [sic] ‘racism’ by Mr. Parrot makes clear, no amount of empirical data can convince a fool whose mind is as dark as his soul. You, sir, are one of those men.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Hmm. . . I get the impression the jackass who calls himself a priest thinks I’m Jewish. Sorry about that, asshole, but my ancestors were Christian when Romanians were still swinging from trees and Russians hadn’t even gotten that far. You know a lot of fifty cent words, but you are completely clueless, in addition to being nameless. And — you still don’t have a bishop! Look, dipshit, it’s not blasphemy when you call a vagante an asshole. People who use words like “Jewsmedia” need to have the shit kicked out of them. I don’t care whether they think they’re Orthodox or not. I must have missed something though. What’s the significance of the 1962 date? Is that supposed to mean something to me? By the way, I do not speak against God in any form. I speak against self-righteous assholes who pretend to be priests. If that’s a problem, take it up with my bishop. I’m sure I will be counseled on my use of coarse language during my next confession. But I don’t pretend to be a priest. You do. While you’re flailing around with the syphilitic idiots of the Legion and the Iron Guard, it might do you well to recall that there are numerous saints out there, and cherry picking their quotes is the sign of a brain dead undergraduate, you know, like Heimbach. I could really give a rat’s ass what Saint John Chrysostomos said about Jews, because frankly, he said all sorts of other things to. Being a saint does not make one perfect. It makes one a saint. Maybe in your weird Romanian ecclesiology it means something else. But speaking of fathers, how about that Irenaeus? “Where there is the bishop, there is the Church.” What Irenaeus did not say was “unless the bishop is a modernist,” and he also didn’t say “Don’t ever reveal who your bishop is, so as to avoid embarassment when the bishop finds out what kind of Wallachian sheeplovers he installed as priests.” You are afraid of me, “priest.” You are very afraid of me, because I have uncovered you as a racist asshole and supporter of Nazis. And yes, very soon I will know who you are, and who your bishop might be – if you have one, which is still somewhat doubtful. And then, yes, I will make sure that everyone knows it. I detest Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, and genuinely believe that what happened to Valerian Trifa, the piece of shit war criminal the OCA installed as an archbishop, needs to happen to every one of the Nazis and Nazi sympathizers in this country.

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    Who’s your bishop again? And what was your name? Pretty big man talk on your part for someone who claims to be clergy but doesn’t have a name. I repeat my previous offer. If you support these neo-Nazi rants, and your bishop is cognizant of that, you are not an Orthodox priest, you are a dickhead, and deserve the censure of the Church. And your bishop? Don’t make me laugh. But then again, this is the page which celebrates Romanians, and who could ever forget that the Romanians in the US had a Nazi sympathizer war criminal as an archbishop. I really don’t care how many self-appointed “saints” there are in the Legion and in the Iron Guard, I piss on all of them. As I do on all Nazis.

  • Fr. John+

    “and who were the Apostles sent out to preach the Gospel to and make disciples of ???? ALL NATIONS.”

    Fr. Harrington- Peace be unto you. Unlike Werner, you claim to be lawfully ordained, Orthodox, and posessing the Holy Spirit; and yet, you don’t know the Greek of the N.T.?

    The words that we have for ‘nations’ [pl.] in most English mis-translations, is the Greek word, ‘panta ta ETHNE’- At first sight, one might think the panta means ALL without discrimination; but the root of panta, is ‘pas’ which clearly means “…”each, every”) means “all” in the sense of “each (every) part that applies.” The emphasis of the total picture then is on “one piece at a time.” All nations that APPLY. So, what the phrase “all nations” means, is not all hominids/countries on the earth, but merely the plurality of the race (ONE) that already existed in the ‘world’ [ECUMENE] of the apostles. You know- all Irish, Swedes, Rus, Greeks, Spaniards, even Carthaginians, as all ‘apply’ to that ONE ETHNE- or ‘race’ of the ECUMENE of ‘Europe.’

    Or are you willing to say that Christ was a ‘Gentile,’ simply because Galilee of the ‘Ethne’ is what St. Matthew wrote in his Gospel 5:14, of that part of Palestine? Or, are you willing to admit that Christ, the Galileans, and the Jerusalemites were all of that ‘Chosen People’? (But not the Edomites- clearly, John 8:44, the prophecy of Obadaiah, and the predestined actions of Judas of Edom, (Iscariot) were NOT of that ‘chosen race’)

    So, the term ‘nations’ as applied to ALL COUNTRIES of the Modern Era, cannot be said to be the meaning of the Scripture text, or of the minds of the First Century, AD. That is what is known as Eisogesis, not exegesis. Moreover, the praxis of the Orthodox “Ecumene” prior to the Roman Schism of the 11th Century, was largely not to go beyond the bounds of what we now call, Europe. Why would that be the case, unless our Fathers in the Faith realized that the prohibition to NOT go into ‘Asia’ (as broad as that term meant, then, as now- cf. Acts) was still regnant in their time. Lastly, it is not to the Orthodox, but to the Romanists, we have to thank for the perversion of the ‘call of the Gospel.’ When the Papists added the Filioque, and abandoned the Faith of the other 4/5ths of Christendom, it was no coincidence that the ‘universal jurisdiction’ ecclesiology of Rome, soon added to it the ‘universal salvation of all hominids,’ precisely because Rome took the place of the Holy Spirit, via the Filioque! When you are the equivalent of the Third member of the Life-giving Trinity, you can claim anything you want! And that’s precisely what Rome did. Or Does St. Photios, and the anathemas against this Creedal innovation mean nothing to you?

    Beyond that, (the boundaries of the Ecumene, as the Apostles (and the Roman Empire of the day) clearly noted by the Holy Spirit, who did not intend for the Gospel to go ‘east’; at least, if Acts 16:6 is any indicator- and I believe it is, for sufficient reasons. [ II Tim. 3:16]

    What does ‘prevent’ or ‘forbid’ mean to you? Well, the word “kōlythentes” is that word- from kóluó: “to hinder.” And the majority of Orthodoxy’s self-witness, at least until the Modernist Modern Era is concerned, pretty much stayed within one racial phenotype- as the Greeks are clear to point out- Greece is for the Greeks. There’s a REASON for this. There’s a reason for understanding the heresy of the modern era, known by many names- Pan-heresy of Ecumenism, Multiculturalism, Multiracialism… call it what you will. But it’s all clearly spiritual (and physical) genocide, if you merely listen to their most prominent spokesmen and errr. ‘women.’ Some examples? Noel Ignative, Susan Sonntag, Nicholas Sarkozy, Tim Wise,……

    No, God incarnated into ONE Ethnicity. That is the miracle of the Incarnation. And, as the Last Adam, it clearly was predicted that ‘He will save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.” [ Matt. 1:21] And NOT the ‘goyim.’ Why, even the faithless Jews know that, while they mistakenly apply that ‘one people’ mantra to themselves. Should not the Church of the First Born, instead, those who are the “Elect from many [European] nations” do the same, if we TRULY ARE that ‘Chosen People (not peoples!), Royal Priesthood (not Many priesthoods!) and Holy Nation (not NATIONS!!!???)… rather than apply heretical papist concepts and marxist mantras of ‘all one race, the Human race’ and corrupt our Holy Faith?

    Which is the Gospel? Christ, or Obama? For many American pseudo-dox, it appears to be the latter… even in the wake of Ferguson. And that’s a pretty damning indictment, if you ask me…for anyone.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    My Bishop is Bp. Peter of Cleveland (ROCOR)..for the record.

    Your two previous posts “Fr. John+” seems to display the point attempted to be made? I will say your treatment of scripture is one I have not encountered often in the Orthodox Church but seems to be consistent with the theme of this Blog and group.

  • Kyril Klimakos

    We are not Nazis, KKK, CI or any other such groups. We are simply Orthodox Christians that are trying to understand the role of ethnos in God’s creation, how humanity can be at the same time “one” yet also with major “distinctions.” We look to the Church Fathers and Eastern European Clergy for these answers. We believe to a certain extent that a lot of today’s clergy (especially American) cannot provide a fair assessment of these questions due to the philosophical matrix of the modern age. We do not blame them for that, we just believe that they cannot escape it due to their upbringing. Some of us are convinced that few will unshackle themselves from the chains of the modern and post-modern mindset in order to be even a little objective, that is sad,and that is where the real problem is. Appealing to ones bishop all the time is not the answer, studying these issues from a total Orthodox Church experience with an open mind is. By the way I have had conversations with my former priest, who was originally from Crete, and who is 100% “Canonical,” and he pretty much agrees with me on the topic of race. Orthodoxy is not about blind Oo ra authority, it is about Truth.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Listen to Weiner von Sammich make all kinds of bigoted statements about Romanians and Russians. What a tool. Go and fight and die for the State of Israel, while you wave the rag of tri colored treason. You aren’t even fit to tie the shoes of a Valerian, or a Father Calciu, or even be in the same room with an Elder Parvu. Typical neocon zombie. Neo Nazis? Yeah, OK. That’s a good one. Anyone who loves his ethnos and knows that truth about your Zionist masters are neo Nazis according to people like you.

  • Orthodox Mike

    My Roman ancestors were building aqueducts and empires, Weiner, while yours were still in animal skins hiding in the Black Forest.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    Kyril:

    Personal opinion is the domain of a free individual. What your opinions and race are yours, I completely disagree with them and oppose them. What bothers me even more is this group and yourself promote your opinions as if they were Orthodox. That is where you cross the line. The Orthodox Faith is incarnated into a society and changed. What the Fathers teach is the human soul ill from sin is treated within the Church, within a community of believers, within whatever country it is in. So your former Priest agrees with you? How are a few opinions ever considered the way of the Church? I agree it is about Truth and the Church of course is the Pillar and Ground of Truth. While this group is fond of citing a hand full of modern fathers and one or two Saints. Werner does have a valid point and I think it was made many times…who is infallible? Only Christ..and I would say we should balance on whole what the Fathers say throughout time..that is the Orthodox approach to the Fathers.

    In Christ

    Fr. Matthew

  • Orthodox Mike

    How is saying ‘we love our people and wish continuity of our uniqueness’ opposed to the Faith???? Would you tell a black man this, Father? Or a Palestinian? Your assessment is very skewed. You already have a preconceived notion in your mind that we are ‘haters’ etc. It is false. You are like the majority of Americans, being molded by the media and horrible modernist, post Enlightenment thought. I am a monarchist and a European Traditionalist. I don’t see how that is not in conformance to Holy Tradition. I have many Arab Orthodox friends, under Antioch and Jerusalem, and they really couldn’t understand why Matt was excommunicated (WAS), or what the big deal was. But lilly white Murikan WASPs are the most ‘offended’. Please spare me. It’s ridiculous.

  • SimplyFred

    Every Mexican female (legal or illegal) in the United States is going to have seven, mostly illegitimate children. These children will all be raised on ADC Payments (read white taxpayers taxes). Why is this group waiting for divine inspiration, for guidance from above?

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Well now, that didn’t take long! Thanks, guys, I’ll stick to being a real person who’s a bit obscene from time to time. At least I don’t wear a sheet! This guy does, but then agan, maybe he’s a “Traditionalist Youth” and kisses the ass of Traditionalist Romanian racist “saints”. Massive fail, idiot boys.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Simply Fred, no offense, but your comments are off topic. This article deals with how faith and ethnos are viewed together. Many of us believe that Peoples aren’t simple biological entities, but rather have a triune nature, not a one dimensional nature- faith, culture, and biology all come together to make a Folk. And language as well. The biological reductionist types that keep gracing ourselves with their presence are the stereotypes we do not wish to entertain.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    Orthodox Mike:

    Is Christ divided? What is it then to be in Christ and love your neighbor as yourself? When St. Peter received the vision and God telling him do not call unclean anything I have called clean..he was referring to who? What does it mean to pick up our crosses and follow after Christ? For God so loved the ??? That he gave his only begotten Son? Your group promotes your view of what “love for race” as the teachings of the Orthodox Church..and that is why your friends who refused to repent of their error were excommunicated…period. You may add whatever narrative makes you feel better..but they entered into a very real arena with real ramifications for our words and actions. As far as I know they still hold their own fate in their hands.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Father, I do love all peoples. But does wanting to discard our uniqueness or genocide a particular branch of Humanity jibe with the unity of Christ you are speaking of? I assume you have children . I assume you have neighbors. Would you bestow gifts and accolades upon your neighbor’s children and belittle and punish yours for no reason other than they are yours? That is a microcosm of what I am saying.

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    No one is forcing you to mate with Blacks, Mexicans or anyone else, Mike. So why are you concerned if anyone else does it?

  • Kyril Klimakos

    BASES OF THE SOCIAL CONCEPT
    OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH

    II. 3. Christian patriotism may be expressed at the same time with regard to a nation as an ethnic community and as a community of its citizens. The Orthodox Christian is called to love his fatherland, which has a territorial dimension, and his brothers by blood who live everywhere in the world. This love is one of the ways of fulfilling God’s commandment of love to one’s neighbor which includes love to one’s family, fellow-tribesmen and fellow-citizens.

  • Orthodox Mike

    Amen

  • Orthodox Mike

    Phyletism! cries the Murikan

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    Showed your true colors again, “priest.” No one here mentioned Obama except you. You are one ****** up dude, and if you have a bishop who tolerates you, tell him I think he’s a pussy who needs to be defrocked, as do you. But you won’t tell him I said that, because he would have to investigate why I’m talking the way I do, and if he really is an Orthodox bishop, the only person to be censured would be your worthless ass. That is, unless he’s Uncle Viorul’s love child. By the way, show me the council which anathemized multiracialism. Not only are you a racist, you are a stupid racist. No one gives a rat’s ass what Romanians who were associated with the Legion and the Iron Guard think. I’m very proud to say that I worked on the identification of the war criminal Trifa as well as numerous other fake Orthodox war criminals. You know, “priest,” maybe you should stick to your friends in the ranks fo the Wallachian sheep fornicators. That’s about all you and your fellow Nazis are good for. Romanian “saints.” What a laugh. You have the termerity to challenge a canonical ordained priest of the Orthodox Church, who immediately replied with his episcopal lineage, just the way Irinaeus envisioned it. I see that this has not been a priority for you. You’re a ******* hypocrite, “priest.”

  • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

    Eat me, Mike. You’re almost as stupid as the “priest,” but not quite.

  • Fr. Matthew Harrington

    From the same source:

    II. 4. At the same time, national sentiments can cause such sinful phenomena as aggressive nationalism, xenophobia, national exclusiveness and inter-ethnic enmity. At their extremes, these phenomena often lead to the restriction of the rights of individuals and nations, wars and other manifestations of violence.

    It is contrary to Orthodox ethics to divide nations into the best and the worst and to belittle any ethnic or civic nation. Even more contrary to Orthodoxy are the teachings which put the nation in the place of God or reduce faith to one of the aspects of national self-awareness.

    Opposing these sinful phenomena, the Orthodox Church carries out the mission of reconciliation between hostile nations and their representatives. Thus, in inter-ethnic conflicts, she does not identify herself with any side, except for cases when one of the sides commit evident aggression or injustice.

  • Kyril Klimakos

    I totally agree with that Father!!!!!!

  • Kyril Klimakos

    At the same time it does not negate anything that either Mike, or I have said. We do not hate, wish to belittle, or wish violence upon, people of other races. We do not put race above God. We do not think our race is better then any other. We do not have an “irrational’ fear of other races. We do not seek a total avoidance of people from other races, in fact we have no problem going to communion with them. We do not wish to restrict another race’s true God given rights (as opposed to post enlightenment humanistic so-called rights). We do not wish to put our nation in the place of God or reduce faith to one of the aspects of national self-awareness. Finally, we do also agree with the implications of the above in the respect that, we believe that our race is the victim of evident aggression and injustice.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Very nice, Kyril. So if that’s true, how come Matt Heimbach conducts interviews with self-professed Nazis? Why does Matt Heimbach not only agree with them publicly, but endorse their plans of action? And why do the associated clergy not list their bishops?

  • Kyril Klimakos

    You Father are the one who insists on believing we are Nazis, Metzgerites, KKK or whatever. May God forgive you for your prejudice and bigotry.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      No, Kyril, it’s Matt Hembach who publicly declaims it. Deny that please.

  • Kyril Klimakos

    I believe miscegenation is the method that our politically correct leaders are using to commit genocide ( evident aggression and injustice) against my race. I therefore oppose it with my whole heart.

    • Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs

      Let me see if I understand. If I were to have a sexual dalliance with a black woman, a greek, or a romanian this somehow constitutes violence against you? Wow! No wonder you’re so afraid. In my younger years I did this all the time, and with Russians and Serbs as well. I must be a real genocidal maniac. PS, Kyril? They loved it too!

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