Postmodern America: The Cowards and the Pseudo-Orthodox Golem It Created


I was asked by a newly formed group to pass this along, which I will gladly do. 

The man who has nothing can still have faith.

The man who has nothing can still have faith.

A Statement From the Traditionalist Orthodox Brotherhood:

In light of recent events concerning the Matts, their undeserved censure and excommunication from the Church, and the cowards in the Church who have succumbed to this modernist lunacy, we of the Traditionalist Orthodox Brotherhood need to state our position.

What is going on here is nothing more than a classic witch hunt. To any true Believer, this should be obvious. The “men” – and I use the term loosely- that have been spearheading this disgusting display of ultraliberal hegemony are truly the ones that need to be excommunicated and censured. They are so-called “Progressives” who are mostly unrepentant homosexuals that are openly trying to reform and change immutable Dogma of the Holy Church. Men like Stephen Montgomery , an open homosexual that lives with his “partner” that he considers his “husband” and is allowed to freely spout off his agenda and live his lifestyle in the confines of the GOA jurisdiction. I imagine he is never disallowed the chalice in his parish in north Florida. Then there is a “Lew Whitaker” who was on the attack against Traditionalists who claims the Faith yet has such lovely gems on his Facebook page like “Pro-Gay Orthodox” and the “Global Bisexual Network” as some of the lovely groups he belongs to. Another one who is leading the charge and letting people believe he is some sort of Orthodox priest is one Gregory Blevins, who isn’t even Orthodox but belongs to some schismatic Old Catholic sect. The thing all these people have in common though is they all co-conspire on a page on Facebook called “Progressive Orthodox Christianity”, an oxymoron if there ever was one. Their agenda is obvious: they want to destroy the Holy Tradition of the Church and the Dogma that was codified by Ecumenical Councils that fly in the face of the openly sinful lifestyles these people want to be accepted . Progressivism is a truly insidious form of Modernism, Globalism, and Secular Humanism straight from the pits of Hell. It is the attempted recreation of Nimrod’s Tower of Babel…where no distinction is made or celebrated by cultures, creeds, tribes, genders, etc..

O, the hypocrisy of it all too! Does anyone seriously believe that had Matt Heimbach not had his controversial past and was not of European descent, that ANY of this would be happening? Fr. Moses Berry is an African-American Orthodox priest who has some quite Afrocentric views and celebrates his culture comfortably within the confines of the Church. We have no problem with that, nor do we see it as hateful. Is he guilty of Phyletism? This is the charge leveled at the Matts. It is unjust and unfounded, as neither one believe in race-based salvation, and Heimbach will be the first to tell you he was in error in the past flirting with the more biological determinist racialist types. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having an ethnic identity, wishing to preserve it, believing in hierarchy, monarchy, and loving one’s people. It is either right for EVERYBODY – including us hated white folks- or it is wrong and heretical for EVERYBODY, period. There is also nothing wrong with peacefully protesting degeneracy or defending oneself. We worship the God of St. John of Kronstadt and the Church Fathers.. I am not quite sure which Christ these Progressives are worshipping.

The foulest part of all of this debacle is the utter spinelessness of the American Orthodox clergy . They have sold out their Faith for either filthy lucre’s sake or revealed themselves as actually worshipping Political Correctness, not our True God Jesus Christ. St. Nicholas may have slapped more than arch-heretic Arius had he been around today. In fact, he may have quite a busy schedule slapping heretics these days. These are the same people trying to purge so-called “anti-Semitism” from our Holy Liturgies because they know more than the Church Fathers. Those Church Fathers were ungodly and hateful, apparently. Our Canons are also obsolete as well, according to these malefactors and the cowardly bishops and priests who cave to them! Clergy, if you wish the Holy Church of God to become a repeat of the Latin Church, or the Episcopal Church, then keep on cowering before these godless renovationists bringing another Gospel – a satanic one- into the Church. I don’t want to hear you moan when you are forced to perform a homosexual “marriage” in the near future because your corrupt sell-out bishop tells you to!

We, the Sobor, are here. We are watching. We are taking notes. We are defending Holy Tradition. You cannot kick us all out, we are all around and are fed up with this encroaching corruption of the Church. Your false ecumenism, renovationism, liberalism, and hypocrisy will end. The gates of Hell shall not prevail. The Lavender Mafia and Freemason subversives in high places will eventually fail. Even if merely a remnant are true, the Church of Jesus Christ will exist.

We are not racists for loving our kith and kin. We are not evil for standing up to evil! We are not phyletists for believing in God-given identity! We condemn racial hatred, including racial hatred against us as well. We are the Traditionalist Orthodox Brotherhood and we are here to defend our Faith against all Enemies of the Cross.   ORTHODOXY ~AUTOCRACY~NATIONAL IDENTITY

 

-The Traditionalist Orthodox Brotherhood


  • In whose interests is it for me to be forced to marry a female for whom I have no romantic feeling? How does it otherwise benefit you for me to be forced to live in isolation, if I cannot be with the man I love and who loves me in return? And in what way does my same sex relationship negatively impact in any way upon your heterosexual marriage?

    • Gavin James Campbell

      The homosexual issue is completely separate from Heimbach’s racism. For you to be lamenting that Stephen Montgomery and Lew Whitaker are not censured enough is tantamount to “officer, you can give these a speeding ticket when you’re not ticketing those other speeders!”. When, as a matter of fact, Montgomery and Whitaker are fringe figures in the Orthodox Church, whose views are not welcome. Just like you. You should lament with them.

      And, you claim that Heimbach and Parrot are targets of a witch hunt – only to demand a witch hunt against gays!

      The reality of the matter is that you are not defending Holy Tradition. No more or less than the pro-gay activists. Race is an invention of the modern era, invention by Carl Linnaeus. You will not find a single Church Father who ever once believed that there is a racial taxonomy of human beings. The Church Fathers do not endorse your views any more or less than accept homosexuality.

    • You state “And, you claim that Heimbach and Parrot are targets of a witch hunt – only to demand a witch hunt against gays!

      That is pure fabrication, and is nowhere to be found in my very brief comment. Kindly read before posting again.

    • Matt’s actions at the “Slut Walk” event in Bloomington had nothing to do with his racial views. On the contrary, he showed up there because he opposes the “slut culture” lifestyle. It says a lot about the Orthodox Church though that it openly embraces the values of “Slut Walk.”

    • Unlike “racism” (a term which was unknown to Christendom until the twentieth century), homosexuality was known and was emphatically condemned in the Bible.

    • Gavin James Campbell

      I apologise, that comment got put by accident. This website apparently has no delete option.

    • Gavin James Campbell

      So yes, Derek Williams, you did not make that comment.

    • Thank you!

    • Krsnik

      There is no such thing as romantic love between two men. Romantic love is a form created by God, and it is only between man and woman. This is not to say that all men and women who believe themselves to be in romantic love actually are.

      What you have is not love but a chemical addiction akin to heroin addiction. When a person is addicted to heroin and feels like it is necessary for his life, is the best Christian action to encourage him and facilitate this? No. Sinning often feels good for the sinner, but it is wrong to condone the action just because it brings pleasure or “doesn’t hurt anyone.” It is, in fact, entirely wrong to facilitate sin. It is the spiritual analogue to material selling of heroin, but even worse because spiritual life is of much greater importance.

    • @Krsnik Just because you can write down your private opinion, doesn’t transmogrify it into fact.

      “Sin” always harms other people, like killing, stealing, lying and cheating. The romantic and sexual love between two homosexuals harms no-one and therefore cannot in any sense be classified is “sin”.. Why should I marry a female i feel nothing for, and desert my partner, and he me? moreover, what female wants to marry a gay man with no feeling for her at all? And the “reward” I get for either marrying this hapless female, or separating for life from my life partner, is to spend eternity with people like you who hate what I am. There are about 350 million homosexuals alive today (5% of 7 billion), all destined for this place you call “hell” because the person we love is the same gender as ourselves. I’d rather keep company with them and my family, friends, and allies all bound for this suppose place, than go to your “heaven” which is full of nasty judgmental people who feel disgust and sadness every time they think of me.

      Unless you are gay, you cannot know whether it’s a decision I made or not. You have no practical experience of being gay. Therefore, you must accept the testimony of those of us who are gay, and what we feel. I was attracted to males well before I knew what sex was and I have never had romantic notions for females.

      I would have more respect for you, if you simply admitted you don’t know what it’s like to be gay and cease judging us. Leave it to your God to fix me up if he thinks I need fixing. If you don’t think he’s up to the job, then you’re certainly not in charge of me and I can name you dozens of religions that welcome LGBT with open arms, open hearts and open minds, with full sacraments including communion, ordination to the clergy and same sex marriage.

      If there is a god, and that god is all powerful, knows everything and created everything, then he knew in advance he was going to create Gays. It is counter-intuitive to suppose he would make upwards of 350 million Gays (5% of 7 billion) alive in the world today, just so we could be converted into Straights. Therefore, God is OK with Gays.

      Who are you to “believe” anything about the reality of my life? It isn’t your place, and you’re out of line. The problem with you “christians” is you think your right to free speech and to evangelise your religion supersedes anyone else’s right to exist free from prejudice and discrimination. You don’t know when to step off. I didn’t “choose” to be a homosexual. This is how I am, and I can’t change it. Your opinion about it, and about me is irrelevant.

    • ‘You will not find a single Church Father who ever once believed that there is a racial taxonomy of human beings. The Church Fathers do not endorse your views any more or less than accept homosexuality’

      “When Noah awoke and was told what Canaan did. . .Noah said, ‘Cursed be Canaan and may God make his face black,’ and immediately the face of Canaan changed; so did of his father Ham, and their white faces became black and dark and their color changed.” Paul de Lagarde, Materialien zur Kritik und Geschichte des Pentateuchs (Leipzig, 1867), part II

      Eutychius, Alexandrian patriarch (d. 940): “Cursed be Ham and may he be a servant to his brothers… He himself and his descendants, who are the Egyptians, the Negroes, the Ethiopians and (it is said) the Barbari.” Patrologiae cursus completes…series Graeca, ed. J.P. Migne (Paris, 1857-66), Pococke’s (1658-59) translation of the Annales, 111.917B (sec. 41-43)

      St. Paulinus of Nola (354-431): “The dragon devours the peoples of Ethiopia, who are not burnt by the sun, but are black with vice, sin giving them the color of night.” Carmina 28.249-51

      St. Jerome (347?-419 or 420): “People of the Ethiopians means those who are black and cloaked in the filth of sin.”
      “Chus in Hebrew means Ethiopian, that is, black and dark, one who has a soul as black as his body [SIC]”. (The Homilies of Saint Jerome, vol. 1, trans. Marie Liguori Ewald, Homily 3, 28).

      St. Augustine The Catholic Church has been foretold, not as to be in any particular quarter of the world, as certain schisms are but in the whole universe by bearing fruit and growing so as to attain even unto the very Ethiopians, to wit, the remotest and foulest of mankind.- Exposition on Psalm 72

      Yeah..I guess yall are right…lol

    • Krsnik

      ““Sin” always harms other people, like killing, stealing, lying and cheating.”

      This is incorrect. Sin is in the heart.

      27“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY’; 28but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
      And he gives the answer to your problem after that:

      29“If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30“If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.”

      In other words, it is better for you to remain celibate and single than to be a homo. It is your cross to bear. Life cannot always be easy and pleasant.

    • Krsnik

      And by the way, “I was born this way” is not a good excuse. Pedophiles were born lusting for prepubescent children, psychopaths were born wanting to kill people, etc. Are they a part of God’s perfect design, or are they fallen and imperfect beings like the Bible says people are?

    • @Krsnik and Orthodox Mike

      Para 27 Adultery harms people deeply. My same sex relationship harms nobody.

      Para 29 has nothing to do with homosexuality – not even mentioned.

      You state “In other words, it is better for you to remain celibate and single than to be a homo”

      I was born homosexual and i cannot change it – and this is accepted by the Catholic Church – that gays are born that way. However I do not want to go to the Catholic (nor the Orthodox) ‘Heaven’ because it is populated entirely by self righteous, judgmental people who hate homosexuality, and what’s more there are no gays there, only people who hate what I am.

      Whereas in your “hell” I will find billions of gay people from the dawn of time itself, alongside my parents who loved and accepted me as a gay man, my siblings who accept me, my friends, colleagues and allies who accept me and all the non-orthodox religions like the Quakers and Episcopalians who welcome us with open arms.

      Just to paraphrase your belief: if I live my life in solitude, without the romantic love of another human being, I am forced to endure eternity with you guys. No-one in their right mind is going to make such an absurd choice, especially when you cannot prove your religion true and all the 41,000 other Christian denominations apostate.

      Sorry, I have no interest in the product you’re trying to sell me. It doesn’t make sense.

    • @Krsnik

      You state: “Pedophiles were born lusting for prepubescent children, psychopaths were born wanting to kill people, etc.”

      I entirely agree with this statement.

      However, again, as with adultery, only more so, pedophilia harms children, and murder harms its victims. There is no way you can rationally conflate same sex love with murder and child sexual assault. You simply can’t. There are no victims in a same sex romantic relationship, only consummate joy in having found one another, and the imperative to escape from a society like yours that hates us, when we did nothing bad to you to warrant your hatred.

      Fortunately we can now live in comparative safety in the cocoon of the West. Sadly the same cannot be said for 78 countries of the world where we continue to be persecuted and punished at law simply for being in love with someone of the same sex. 7 countries, like Iran, enact the death penalty for same sex relationships. There is no evidence that criminalising me protects you.

      This practice is entirely barbaric and based on groundless fear of the minuscule and harmless LGBT minority who have far more reason to fear them than they us.

    • Leslie H. Higgins

      Williams psychotically trolls this site because he cares about nothing but defending his vile proclivities from criticism. It is a strong indication of the spiritual poverty of the active sodomite, the need to condemn this behavior from the housetops and to banish it from public mention.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek is a ridiculous moron. He’s ignorant, dishonest, and based on his comments here, a genuinely deplorable person.

      But here’s the thing: he’s determined. He gets beaten here again and again, yet always comes back for more.

      Can you imagine how he would react if his priest, or anyone else in “authority,” told him to stop? To cease and desist from his cause? He’d tell them to go to hell. Being what he is, he would of course figure out how to do so in a stupid, childish and ignorant fashion. He would falsely attribute quotes to others, make absurd and ridiculous claims, contradict himself at every turn, and idiotically demand proof for 2+2=4 and the sky is blue. He would remain, well, Derek. But he would never willingly abandon his glorious cause of men copulating with other men.

      Determination goes a long way in this world, and it’s something to consider.

    • costa

      So the Trad Youth wish to speak for traditional values of sexual continence. Promiscuity and adultery are explicitly denounced by Christ in the Gospels and also at other times in the NT. For men and women who are heterosexual, their concern is trying not to commit adultery and fornication with one another. Homosexuals are of no threat to heterosexuals. Why are the 5% of homosexuals any form of threat to heterosexual Orthodox Christians struggling with chastity? Why would I be threatened by a gay man who finds me attractive? Now, on the other hand, a beautifully seductive, intelligent woman…. well, I’d better stop my description as my imagination may cause me to sin (I’m a married man).

      Perhaps those most outspoken in their critique of the so-called “homosexual lifestyle” (an ignorant term, implying a choice, as though these is also a “left-hander’s lifestyle”) are themselves psychologically traumatised self-hating repressed homosexuals who are bitterly unhappy in their loneliness. An Orthodox way to deal with this sickness is to seek help through confession with a priest about this, preferable one with good pastoral skills, in conjunction with the best medical help to come to terms with this homophobia, rather than dogmatising in religious language on the internet.
      — Costa.

    • @Costa

      There is considerable evidence to support your view. Truly heterosexual people are far too busy chasing the opposite sex to care what gays get up to. Most of my friends are straight and they don’t show 1/10 of the obsession with my homosexuality that homophobic commenters do when they cruise gay topic forums, commenting obsessively upon matters homosexual. As Shakespeare observed through Hamlet, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”.

      Homophobes are often closet homosexuals who display an irrational obsession with homosexuality. Their inversion is brought about usually by having been raised in anti-gay households, perhaps surrounded by the same at school and at work, and so have to repress their homosexuality. Who would ever suspect a gay basher is actually gay themselves the whole time?

      Famous examples include George ‘Rent Boy’ Rekers, Rev. Ted Haggard, Bishop Eddie Long, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Senator Roy Ashburn…

      Links below point to evidence:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals
      http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne?page=1
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm
      http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/bibabs.html

    • Krsnik

      Derek, homosexual sex is adultery, as it is sex outside of marriage (this is the original meaning in the bible). It hurts both you and your partner, whether you know it or not, just as heroin use hurts the user.

    • Krsnik

      Costa, it is a systemic problem. Again, the analogy to drug users is good. Do drug users who are not otherwise harming anyone threaten me or my family? Yes, they do. It is a systemic problem that spreads and causes moral lapses on a greater scale. Besides, whether something harms others or not is of no consequence in biblical morality (though if we look deep enough, it is extremely harmful, even more so than physical harm because it is spiritually harmful). “As long as it doesn’t immediately and apparently harm anyone, it is permitted” is humanist non-morality, not true Christian morality. It is, in fact, the primary problem today, a materialist reading of morality.

    • @Krsnik

      I am 61 years of age and have yet to see any evidence of damage to your relationship caused by mine. Drug addiction is a terrible analogy because substance abuse introduces costs to the individual in terms of physical and mental health, as well to the community in terms of medical care, and often times the cost of incarceration.

      There is no evidence that forcing me to marry a female I have not feeling for helps you or the community in any way, nor in sentencing me to a life of solitude and anguish, separated from my partner.

      Think of you being forced by a total stranger to you, or the state, being forced to separate from your wife whom you love more than anyone in this world, and try to connect with the fact that I don’t have that feeling for a female, but I do for my male partner.

      You haven’t shown me how I will benefit from forced bachelorhood, or forced heterosexual marriage, nor how the community will benefit.

      As for the Bible, with its hundreds of conflicting translations, and 41,000 different Christian religions, your religious view is your right to hold, but others also believe in the Bible from a different standpoint. Who are you to declare your religion to be superior to theirs, and who are you to force your religious view on to others who don’t believe as you do, especially in the absence of any proof whatsoever, or who don’t harbour any belief at all?

    • Chris Cline

      The Orthodox not.eh doesn’t teach homosexuality shouldn’t be engaged in because it affects others necessarily in a physical manner but that the a types of sexual actions are spiritually poisonous to our person. It may not seem to be True of course, and the very opposite can seem to be True, but the point of the Church, this spiritual hospital, is to be shown how deeply sin has affected us and to be cured. Also, homosexuality and even heterosexuality presume that sexual desire are legitimate identities, And they are not in the Church.

      My only issue is in the Heimbach affair is that while a veritable storm of rage was sparked by his public views, none who profess other UnOrthodox views more popular in the secular world are not treated as harshly if ever.

    • @Krsnik

      There is no experiential evidence to justify such teaching, and this is why an increasing number of religions are moving away from telling homosexuals that we are intrinsically “ordered towards evil”. I don’t consider myself intrinsically evil, just because I was born with same sex attraction and choose to live with a man, and nor do I consider it remotely credible that 350 million homosexuals would knowingly be created with the capacity to love another of the same sex, harming no-one whatsoever in any way, then consigning them all to “hell”, alongside our parents, siblings, friends and political supporters for an entirely harmless, and actually personally enriching and fulfilling experience.

      The fact that some religions still purvey this canard which is patently bunkum, calls into question their entire catechism.

      It’s not so long ago that the Roman Catholic Church placed Galileo Galilei under house arrest for his thesis that the Sun, and not the Earth, is the centre of the Solar System, and before that, burning Giordano Bruno at the stake for a similar publication.

      The Catholic Church in particular, and religion in general has much to apologise for in their appalling mistreatment of homosexual people and the lies it has told about us, alongside other crimes such as its selling of Indulgences that led to the Reformation, and teaching that “The Jews killed Christ” – which expedited the Holocaust of the Jews in Nazi Germany.

      I repeat, that the product you’re selling is anathema to me. I can’t see anything good for me in it at all. Only a lifetime of anguish followed by an eternity of torment. And when push comes to shove, you can’t prove a word of it, whereas I can from actually being a homosexual myself, tell you what it is like to be me.

  • Orthodox Mike

    This has nothing to do with you, unless you wish to join your Sodomite brethren in trying to change Holy Tradition within the Church. Go and do what you like, but do not expect the Church to approve.

    • SimplyFred

      Why are Heterosexual Christians footing the bill for the AIDS epidemic? Homosexuals need their own health care system. Homosexuals need a separate country in africa, maybe called: Diversitonia. For AIDS costs see:
      http://www.fairfoundation.org/

    • This has everything to do with me, because homosexuals are defamed in this article.

      Re HIV/AIDS, I agree with you about the disproportionate cost of treatment and it’s true that in the West, gay men are still responsible for most of the HIV propagation. However LGBT activism has helped educate the wider public and thus stop the disease from migrating into the heterosexual majority, so far.

      That is not true in the wider world. Of 33.3 million AIDS cases worldwide, 15.9 million are female, and 2.6 million children, so it’s very clear that your heterosexuality will NOT protect you from HIV infection; only monogamy and safe sex will do that.

      African Americans account for only 14% of the US population, yet they account for over 40% of HIV/AIDS infections. It therefore makes no more sense to say that someone should not be gay in order to avoid infection, than it would to say that one should not be black, so as to avoid HIV/AIDS infection. A monogamous same sex couple is at no greater risk of spreading or catching STI’s like AIDS than a heterosexual monogamous couple. HIV/AIDS is an almost competely avoidable infection. The key is safe sex practice, monogamy – every reason to encourage gays to marry. Lesbians are at zero risk of HIV/AIDS, yet they are homosexuals too.

      source: avert.org

    • Homosexuality is, in itself, A DEFAMANTION OF THE HUMAN PERSON!

      Drecch, (derek) just die. Your comments heap burning coals on your head, and your lies give credence to the blasphemous utterances of every sodomite since Lot’s daughters were bypassed the night before your ancestors (ideologically speaking) were reduced to ash and sulpher.

      May God judge you, and right speedily. Acribea is all that can be called on for your case.
      Anathema sit.

    • Whether I am a “defamation of the human person” or not, you have not explained how I am a threat to you, or how unarmed homosexuals who number a mere 5-10% of the human race can ever pose a threat to the every-burgeoning human race.

      So far as the Roman Catholic Church is concerned, the encyclical authored by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) and promulgated by John Paul II, viz. “Towards Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons” makes it clear that homosexuals are born gay, do not choose our orientation and it cannot be changed. While the Church still preaches against homosexuals being in relationships with other homosexuals, they at least don’t advocate stoning us in industrial scale mass murder as you do.

      The blood bath would be unimaginable if supported worldwide, and it would be never ending since we are born constantly to heterosexuals, and this cannot be stopped except by tens of millions of abortions every year to ensure we’re not born in the first place. The only sure way to prevent our being born permanently would be to kill or neuter my heterosexual parents before they had a chance to give birth to me, but then that would have prevented my 4 heterosexual siblings from having been born, and each of them are parents too, so killing all gays isn’t really practicable – like anything else you post.

      There has never been convincing reason given to me as to why I should be exterminated. That’s the thing about minorities, we’re portrayed as a danger, but we have far more to fear from homophobic heterosexuals than you do from us.

  • Leslie H. Higgins

    This needed to be said. The same goes for the vile hierarchs in my own Catholic Church, who recently said a Mass on the border with Mexico in support of White genocide. They should have been left on the other side to fend with the elements and drug gangs.

    Hail Victory! Death to Degeneracy!

  • crusading cat

    “Orthodox Mike” come on…. pahleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze…. don’t you realize????? — if you are in the “Eastern Orthodox Church” YOU are the one spitting on the cross of jesus along with those fags and liberal modernists??? they are schismatics ever since 1054 and until they repent, they are NOT part of The Church. historically they they are NOT westerners either, why are you fighting on their side, AGAINST the western crusaders?

    think about it. you are just as bad as the fags when hold up a false “church” and loudly defend it as “The Church” and make all of humanity stumble around in darkness from today and way into the future????? if i listened to your prosletizing, i would be dammed for ever, much worse than a life of sodemy.

    so don’t you know??????
    only ROME under the Pope is THE CHURCH

    “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).
    stop it! quit listenin to THOSE mathews and listen to the Mathew WHO WROTE PART OF THE BIBLE.

    so come to your senses with this “Orthodox” “Church”…. COME BACK! you boys will find many girls like me who will welcome you HOME
    but unless you do, you are just as bad as those fags and liberals in the Orthodox “Church”.

    XXXXXX cat.

    • Crusadeing-

      get a clue. get a life. get a church history. It is ROME that is apostate, graceless, without priesthood, sacraments, or continuity, since 1054, 1517, 1870, and 1958.
      Semper edeam?

      What a JOKE!

      Rome is the whore sitting on the Bull of Europa. She’s anathema. Or hasn’t “Franky the Last’s” comment about ‘I can’t judge a gay person’ tell you all you need to know?

      Lord, that people are so IGNORANT these days.

  • costa

    Mike,

    Fr Seraphim Rose, of blessed memory suffered this sin. Do you think that throwing stones at these homosexuals is how to honour this blessed father’s memory? You are ignoring the fact that the actual people who were explaining that Orthodox Christianity is manifestly incompatible with racism also include some prominent conservatives too, such as Rod Dreher:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/church-to-orthodox-fascists-repent/

    So why don’t you stand bravely with Thomas Buhls in renouncing your affiliation with anti-Christian groups such as Golden Dawn, the KKK and other merchants of hatred?

    — Costa.

    • Niemca

      How is Golden Dawn anti-Christian?

    • costa

      Niemca,

      Many Greek Orthodox Bishops in Greece condemned Golden Dawn as Anti-Christian and pagan in ideology. It is unprecedented.

      His Eminence Metrololitan Heirotheos of Naftpatkos, for example, a much respected Orthodox Theologian of recent times, beloved by Orthodox Christians, not just in Greece, but throughout the whole world for his teachings.
      See how he responds to this question in the article:

      “Recently, along with numerous other bishops, you spoke out publicly against the Golden Dawn. It has been argued that the practical and political views of this organization is contrary to the essence of Christian teaching. Do you agree?

      “You will have noticed that I expressed myself against racism and violence wherever they come from. I cannot accept as a hierarch ideological systems that have fascist and Nazi attitudes, Nietzschean and inhuman systems, using various methods of biological and social eugenics to override a race against other people. I cannot accept violence against ordinary, poor, weak and defenseless people. Such behaviors very much shock me, they’re all anti-Christian and inhumane.”

      http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2012/11/metropolitan-hierotheos-church-and.html

      Read the rest of the article. Golden Dawn are as bad and as fundamentally anti-Christian as Marxists.

      — Costa.

    • Costa- you don’t know WHAT the hell you are talking about.

      Are you a GOA greek? Then you are clueless, and your ‘Assachusset’s’ liberal clergy are clearly keeping from you the TRUTH that a renascent Russia and Golden Dawn are seeing EYE 2 EYE!

      http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/golden-dawn-in-moscow-we-set-the-foundations-of-greek-russian-cooperation/

      repent of your heresy, leave your social club cum church, and join with the suffering Old Calendar Orthodox… if you sincerely think it matters.

    • Costa- the Marxist Metaxakis destroyed the EP, just as clearly as the Soviets destroyed the MP.

      Your own ‘Orthodox Clergy’ in Greece are as much jew-worshiping, power-made, phyletistic heretics as the Zionists, and are also the persecutors of the Old Calendarists for the last seventy years.

      Anaxios, Costa. You’re a sheep, led by wolves.

  • Gavin James Campbell

    The homosexual issue is completely separate from Heimbach’s racism. For you to be lamenting that Stephen Montgomery and Lew Whitaker are not censured enough is tantamount to “officer, you can give these a speeding ticket when you’re not ticketing those other speeders!”. When, as a matter of fact, Montgomery and Whitaker are fringe figures in the Orthodox Church, whose views are not welcome. Just like you. You should lament with them.

    And, you claim that Heimbach and Parrot are targets of a witch hunt – only to demand a witch hunt against gays!

    The reality of the matter is that you are not defending Holy Tradition. No more or less than the pro-gay activists. Race is an invention of the modern era, invention by Carl Linnaeus. You will not find a single Church Father who ever once believed that there is a racial taxonomy of human beings. The Church Fathers do not endorse your views any more or less than accept homosexuality.

    • costa

      Gavin, you make a good point. While many Church Fathers wrote against heresies of all sorts of varieties, such as against the Saracens (St John of Damascus) there was never any mention of race. It just did not exist as a concept. Ironic that such theories of race are is a product of Enlightenment rationalistic thinking that so many in this organisation think they are fighting against! To argue otherwise would be anachronistic.
      — Costa.

    • Gavin James Campbell

      Costa-
      I really appreciate your comments on this page, especially for setting the record straight on how Golden Dawn is un-Orthodox.
      But, brother, I have to tell you, this racist pseudo-Orthodoxy is not owing ex-Protestants joining the Church. Matt Heimbach was originally with a schismatic Catholic group called The Society of Saint Pius the Tenth, or SSPX for short. I’ve known many Evangelical Protestants over the years, and while you and I would not agree with their theology, I am happy to tell you that are not racist. They are very welcoming of people of any skin colour. Racism is not one of their vices.
      Anyway, good up the good fight! We’re fighting ideas, not people.

    • A witch hunt against gays?

      Oh, no. A righteous stoning of unrepentant sodomites. No hunt about it at all.

      They deserve to die, and the millions of boys that chose this ‘deathstyle’ since the 1950’s cry out from Hell, where they accuse your kind of the evils that turned them from their normalcy to this satanic, demonic perversion. May you be DAMNED for daring to defend the likes of such degenerates.

      And yes, I would throw the first stone.

    • @’Fr John’ Neither maths nor logic are your strong points. And what kind of person are you, that would want to commit mass murder on an industrial scale?

      Exit polls from the last 3 US Census 2004, 2008 and 2012 show 4% identifying as openly gay. Add a conservative 1% for those in the closet and apply the resulting 5% to the current 7 billion global population and you have 350 million homosexuals to kill.

      World War II “only” managed to kill 50 million people in 6 years, with all the world’s ordnance, so it will take you 7×6 = 42 years to kill all gays alive today, during which time hundreds of millions more will be born as I was, to heterosexual parents.

      Educate yourself.

  • MissBonnie123

    It seems to me that some of the commentators on this site believe that if a white man fights on behalf of his race, he is a racist.

    Only an anti-white would believe this.

    • costa

      Miss Bonnie:
      Can blue men sing the white?
      — Costa.

    • costa

      Miss Bonnie:
      Correction: Can blue men sing the whites?
      – Costa.

  • afelloworthodox

    It is rumor that Ftr. Rose was homosexual. Even if he were, having a same sex attraction isn’t the sin, but acting upon it is. He controled his impulses of the flesh and lived chastely, as is expected of him by the Church, the same way the unmarried are expected to be chaste and the married expected to follow fasting rules regarding marital relations.

    Loving your heritage, honoring your ancestors, this is racist how? For all the hand wringing over their ‘racism’ I see precious little evidence supporting that claim. I don’t see them putting down any race, actually. No calls for any race to be excommunicated, no calls for any race to be ostracized. Yet I see that against them! The thought police can’t control Truth. Anti racist is a code word for anti white.

    You are mad, you are not like us. St. Anthony and all the saints are weeping at the state our church is in. There is no such thing as a moderate Orthodox, a liberal Orthodox, a pro choice Orthodox, a pro gay marriage Orthodox, a progressive Orthodox.

    You hold to the tenants of the Faith, even if they are unpopular in modern times, or you don’t. Yes it’s that simple. There is black and white, if you want gray go to another church don’t expect ours to water down to suit your taste. Christ is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

    • costa

      Dear “affelloworthodox” and also “Orthodox Mike”
      Which North American Protestant sects did you hyperdox your way out of?
      I thank God I grew up in an Orthodox Land, Greece, not surrounded by Fundamentalist Protestants.
      And I learned my Faith from Monks from pilgrimages to the Holy Mountain. And from my Orthodox ancestors, that included several Orthodox Priests.
      And not from wierdo American Protestants, setting themselves up as Orthodox. Who have no humility and who spout dogmas in public with no cultural reference point of a lived Orthodox Faith.
      If you didn’t bring such shame on Orthodox Christians, I would just leave it at that.
      At least Thomas Buhls has the honour and maturity to denounce the pagan group Golden Dawn in public – will you too?
      –Costa.

    • “Sins” always harm other people, like lying, stealing, cheating, killing, bashing, and so on. A homosexual person having a relationship with another homosexual person doesn’t harm anybody and therefore cannot be classified as wrongdoing.

      Why should I marry a woman I have no love for? And why would she want to marry a gay man who has neither romantic nor sexual interest in her, when she could have for herself a heterosexual man who is head over heels in love with her?

      Even if you don’t force me into an arranged marriage with a compliant female, I am faced with an existence separated from the love of my life, and he from me, all so that we can reap this ghastly reward of being stuck for eternity in the company of people who hate what I am, a homosexual.

      There are about 350 million homosexuals alive today (5% of 7 billion), none of whom will be headed for this vainglorious “heaven” of yours, and the vast majority of whom never heard of your religion, or who have chosen a religion with a different attitude towards LGBT people. I would far rather keep their company for eternity than yours.

      So far as Christ is concerned, he never said anything negative about homosexuals or homosexuality, and arguably, mentions homosexuality at least twice in a positive context:
      1) When He met a Roman Centurion who was trying to heal his pais (a Greek term often used to denote the younger male lover in a gay relationship) and Jesus said of him, ‘Never have I seen faith greater than this.’
      2) Jesus mentions gay men as born eunuch in Matthew as one of the types that weren’t made for marrying women. Kings used ‘born eunuchs’ to guard their harems because the kings knew these men had no interest in women. Since no word existed in either the Old Testament Hebrew or the New Testament Ancient Greek for “homosexuality” or “a homosexual”, it’s reasonable to assume that “Eunuch” was a colloquialism for LGBT.

      Neither time did Jesus condemn.

      In the Old Testament:
      1 Samuel 18-20… the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan…
      3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
      4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.

      Biblical scholar David Jobling (1998) wrote that “Nothing in the text rules out, and much encourages the view that David and Jonathan had a consummated gay relationship.”

    • Nice try costa, but I didnt grow up Protestant and never was…

    • Gavin James Campbell

      “Anti-racist” means “opposed to racism”.
      “Opposed to racism” means “not opposed to anyone for their skin colour”.
      “Not opposed to anyone for their skin colour” means “not opposed to anyone for being white”.
      “Not opposed to anyone for being white” means “not anti-white”.
      Therefore, “anti-racist” does not mean “anti-white”.
      It’s just sheer, simple logic.

      And, while we’re on topic, classic American racism does not recognise Greeks, Romanians, or Slavs as white.

    • I thank God I grew up in an Orthodox Land, Greece, not surrounded by Fundamentalist Protestants.
      And I learned my Faith from Monks from pilgrimages to the Holy Mountain. And from my Orthodox ancestors, that included several Orthodox Priests.
      And not from wierdo American Protestants, setting themselves up as Orthodox. Who have no humility and who spout dogmas in public with no cultural reference point of a lived Orthodox Faith.

      So your culture and ancestry is superior to ours?

  • costa

    Anti-racist=anti white?
    I feel for the lack of Christian Charity. Unless you love yourself, how can you love your neighbours?
    All those pro-whites seem self-hating in a profound and warped way. “Those we most hate in others are the sins we struggle with ourselves” St Michael of Gaza, 354. And from the apophthegmata patrum, Abba Abraham the black says:
    “My good brother: Love the fornicator living in his filth more than you love your own wife, unless you can ask for Christ’s mercy for him, you will never find peace”.
    Christian Love and Charity are our Lord’s Way, not Golden Dawn, the Klu Klux Klan, nor other Neo Nazi groups.
    –Costa.

    • Here’s the real problem that these people have with the Matts:

      http://womenintheology.org/2014/05/07/high-horses-the-starving-faithful-thoughts-on-sex-god-belonging/

      they “firmly consider homosexual activity a sin and vigorously oppose its promotion in the public square as an accepted and moral lifestyle.”

    • Costa said:
      All those pro-whites seem self-hating in a profound and warped way. “Those we most hate in others are the sins we struggle with ourselves” St Michael of Gaza, 354. And from the apophthegmata patrum, Abba Abraham the black says:
      “My good brother: Love the fornicator living in his filth more than you love your own wife, unless you can ask for Christ’s mercy for him, you will never find peace”.
      Christian Love and Charity are our Lord’s Way, not Golden Dawn, the Klu Klux Klan, nor other Neo Nazi groups.

      It’s true that most nationalists fall short of the Christian love demanded in the Bible, but then so do most people in all political movements. If you truly believe that Christians should abstain from all political movements that fail to live up to this standard of love, then be consistent and demand that Christians abandon politics altogether.

    • Costa, you dumb souvlaki brain!

      Charity? Concern? For sodomites and lesbians, liberals and Obamaniacs, who are DESTROYING this nation?

      Matt Heimbach is a latter day St. Mark of Ephesus. You are nothing more than an Ephialtes of Trachis.

  • The people who are condemning the Matts have written a glowing review of a movie called 52 Tuesdays. What’s that about? It’s about a mother who is going through a “personal transition into transgender identity”:

    http://womenintheology.org/2014/05/05/52-tuesdays-trans-identity-and-the-m-word/

    “Deceptively brave and confronting, 52 Tuesdays tells the story of a mother and daughter each facing transition. For the mother, it is his personal transition into transgender identity; a coming out that happens in the opening scenes and through which Jane becomes James.”

    You won’t see these people who are promoting “LGBTQ equality” excommunicated though because the Orthodox Church in America is just as compromised by American liberalism as the Episcopalians.

    • Accepting LGBT as people who have equal rights to yours isn’t “compromising” anything accept injustice.

  • johhnyj

    What’s with this circus atmosphere? Parrott, you’re only inviting the snide howls and jeers of the Jews and culture destroyers currently dancing gleefully on the grave of your noble venture.. You know as well as anyone that these devils may not be reasoned with at any cost, and right now your good name is hemorrhaging and at true risk of bleeding out entirely.. I’m not sure how these ecumenical matters work, avail yourself of whatever means will enable you to circumvent an obviously corrupted American Orthodox Church and will gain you communion with more traditional churches more in line with traditionalism, or scrap the project entirely and return to your identitarian traditionalist activism which was working like gangbusters anyway.

    Your friend

  • KO

    The Episcopal hierarchy and many in the pews are in the grip of liberalism as you describe, Brad. But they haven’t abandoned the lectionary and haven’t destroyed the liturgy. Thus a service only has about 5 min. in it for the “homilist” to propagandize on behalf of his or her liberal idols. The rest is a very traditional service, in which our people have worshipped for 500 years. Another thing about the Anglican tradition. In its break with Rome, it appealed to the Latin Fathers. Their non-systematic style gives it a degree of immunity from rationalistic ideologies, and teaches people that ideologies and sign-systems are secondary to real-time worship and relationship to the Lord. There is thus much to be gained by attending an Episcopal church. Even if the disgusting liberalism is as pervasive an ideology there as at any UCC, etc., the traditional liturgy and worship is still holding. (One of the 39 Articles holds that the sacrament is effective even if the celebrant is sinful — how useful and prescient of our founders.)

    • All the more reason to joing one of the many Continuing Anglican denominations (preferably one rooted in Anglo-Catholicism) that left during the 1970’s to perserve traditional Anglicanism. The Episcopal church is no longer a legitimate church any more due to their abandoning of both Scripture and Holy Tradition.

    • JPOutlook

      Yes, the Continuing Anglican denomination is the best one. Always like to see this kind of thing. 🙂

    • KO

      Thanks, gents. I’ll look for such a group, though I doubt I will break family ties to join one.

      Given the degree to which the hostiles have occupied the real estate on this and numerous other threads, I’m beginning to think this site will require moderating to serve its purpose. Auster edited VFR thoroughly. He only published submissions that added to the discussion he was leading. Swarming hostility is heckling, not debate. Or as has also been said, tweeting is not revolution.

  • costa

    A further comprehensive article by His Eminence Hierotheos of Nafpatkos, a learned Orthodox Christian theologian, on the pagan and anti-Christian group known as Golden Dawn:

    http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2012/11/metropolitan-hierotheos-church-and.html

    — Costa

    • Orthodox Mike

      Costa, what do you think about the Black Hundreds and Iron Guard? Were they all misinformed pagans as well?

    • Gavin James Campbell

      The Black Hundreds and the Iron Guard were nothing but a bunch of criminals and riff-raff. Their sole legacy is murder and rioting.
      So I suppose they weren’t misguided pagans!

    • Gavin James Campbell

      At any rate, “Orthodox”Mike, you haven’t answered my point about race. Race is essentially a concept of Enlightenment modernism. There are no attempted taxonomies of human beings according to race prior to Carl Linnaeus.

    • So St John of Kronstadt and Elder Justin Parvu and Elder Goerge Calciu were riff raff and criminals? Good to know. Anyone who defends their People is riff raff. Even saints and monks.

    • Gavin James Campbell

      St. John of Kronstadt never joined the Black Hundreds and condemned pogroms. While Fr. Justin was never a member of the Iron Guard. While Fr. George was defrocked the Romanian Orthodox, only to be reinstated by the OCA. And never a member of the Iron Guard.
      Care to try again?

    • Gavin James Campbell

      Meanwhile, you still have yet to answer my point about race. It’s not a part of Orthodox Tradition.
      Neither is nationalism, which is an invention of the French Revolution.

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  • Nate Lawrence
    • costa

      Thanks Nate.
      However, I’ll go with a trained and much respected Orthodox Theologian: His Eminence Heirotheos any day.

      And not some Marxist or Fascist merchant of hate. Particularly when their elected MP’s gains popularity singing lyrics such as:
      “‘…for half a million years God sat / and saw people scratching each other’s eyes out / And only then did he have the bright idea / of sending his bastard son, fucking Jesus Christ / But now the Devil is triumphant / we’ll leave the church to rot / and we’ll slaughter the idiots on their holy altar ….’
      This is not a balanced person, who has no place in any form of leadership.
      Remember, the ancient Greeks were Pagans. Any form of ultra Hellenism is de-facto anti-Christian.
      –Costa.

    • costa

      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      Thanks Nate.
      However, I’ll go with a trained and much respected Orthodox Theologian: His Eminence Heirotheos any day.

      And not some Marxist or Fascist merchant of hate. Particularly when their elected MP’s gains popularity singing lyrics such as in their youth:
      “‘…for half a million years God sat / and saw people scratching each other’s eyes out / And only then did he have the bright idea / of sending his b*st*rd son, f*ck*ng Jesus Christ / But now the Devil is triumphant / we’ll leave the church to rot / and we’ll slaughter the idiots on their holy altar ….’
      This is not a balanced person, who has no place in any form of leadership.
      Remember, the ancient Greeks were Pagans. Any form of ultra Hellenism is de-facto anti-Christian.
      –Costa.

    • “Thanks Nate.
      However, I’ll go with a trained and much respected Orthodox Theologian: ”

      Then, Costa. You’re gonna have a long wait, as there are none in Scoba-doxy, or Modernist EP-doxy.

      St. John Chrysostom would spit on you.

  • Praise God for this group’s honesty.

    I even had a fellow cleric contact me, and write a ‘guest editorial’ which he wanted me to post here, for the faithful.

    http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/the-two-matts-guest-editorial/

The man who has nothing can still have faith.

By: Orthodox Mike



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