Modernity’s Lost Boys


Elliot RodgerWe can expect the “manosphere” and MRA communities to come under fire in the wake of Elliot Rodger’s heinous mass murder. He was, after all, the quintessential “Average Frustrated Chump” and his motives appear, at this point, to be the same sort of sexual and emotional frustration that propels much of the Manosphere and MRA community. My prayers are with the families who’ve lost loved ones due to this inexcusable and unforgivable act, but my thoughts are primarily about why this occurred, where the blame truly lies, and how we can prevent further atrocities of this nature.

Don’t doubt for a minute that more of this is in the pipeline. Young men in America, particularly White men, are being force-fed a toxic brew of high self-esteem, abysmal mentorship, astronomical expectations, and soul-crushing outcomes which directly lead to the very sort of bitterness and resentment featured in Mr. Rodger’s videos. While only a mere fraction of young men will lash out so spectacularly, the decline and fall in American gender relations is already manifested in myriad ways, ways which will become more impactful as demographic pressures and our declining economy exacerbate the tension.

America’s departure from traditional monogamy is facilitated by the secular welfare state, one which “empowers” young women to be more selective with their mating partners. Given that there is a fixed population of males, the end result is a hyergamous competition for a small fraction of highly successful and promiscuous males. A large and growing subset of young men in our society are affected by this de facto polygamy.

The growing chorus of “lost boys” who aren’t content to resign themselves to lives of celibacy and the stench of failure has been covered in depth elsewhere in the blogosphere. Those sites typically encourage young men to become more “alpha”, more confident, and more desirable to women. This advice ranges from wholesome and pragmatic mentorship to sociopathic screeds on how to manipulate and exploit women. But that’s pretty much the range. The conversation is never about how to repair our broken gender dynamic, but how to become the “alpha” within the dynamic.

The conversation is rarely about how the majority of women who play this game, after “riding the carousel”, fail to obtain a high-status male. Had Elliot Rodger waited it out, he assuredly would have found himself with a nice thirty-something girl with some mileage on her. He wouldn’t be entirely thrilled about ending up with a promiscuous and aging wife, though she probably wouldn’t be entirely thrilled about ending up with a snotty, resentful, whiny husband. He was, mass murder aside, a spectacularly shallow and pampered douchebag. The fact that not one single woman went near him despite his handsomeness and wealth is a glowing testament to feminine instincts.

Life’s not fair, which brings us back to Elliot’s conviction that he somehow deserves female affection. And why wouldn’t he? From his earliest memories, he’s been reminded regularly just how special, unique, precious, perfect, and even “supreme” he is. We all are, in American education, in American films, in American media, and in American culture. We’re all told that we’re winners right up until adulthood kicks off and we’re bludgeoned with repeated setbacks and humiliations. Elliot wasn’t going to take it, though. Elliot, adopting and embracing pop culture’s anti-bullying language, fully justified his actions within our Modern secular context. In his eyes, he’s a hero in the liberal battle against all those jocks, brutes, bullies, blondes, and “popular kids” who’ve victimized him.

The solution is for young men and women to develop a subculture in which true and eternal traditional love reclaims its rightful place in their hearts and minds. We’re all, males and females alike, victims of this society’s degenerate sexual politics. As long as we’re riding the carousel–or bitterly crossing our arms and glaring at the carousel, wondering why we don’t get to ride on it–we’re going to continue piling up bastard children, broken homes, bitter old maids, and frustrated young men.

This is the promised post-Christian age of liberation from monogamy, chastity, humility, and objective morality. Elliot Rodgers, George Sodini, Adam Lanza, and the mass murderers yet to come are men who eagerly bought Modernity’s promise of self-glorification and self-gratification, only to find themselves neither glorified nor gratified. These revolts within the Modern world will amplify and intensify until we learn to revolt against the Modern world. Paradoxically, only by rejecting the zero-sum rat race for glory and gratification can we spare ourselves the indignity and humiliation to come.


  • Shotgun

    I find it very difficult to take that video seriously. He must have had some other motives than what he was portraying there.

    • tradyouth

      Aspies always have that forced “bad acting” quality to their speech. So it’s hard to tell.

    • Lisa

      When I first saw it I thought he was a bad actor auditioning for a role. It seems so fake.

  • James Hedman

    “Young men in America, particularly White men, are being force-fed a toxic brew of high self-esteem, abysmal mentorship, astronomical expectations, and soul-crushing outcomes which directly lead to the very sort of bitterness and resentment featured in Mr. Rodger’s videos.”

    Except that Rodger isn’t White.

    • Peter

      Oh dear… from his manifesto
      http://de.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto :

      “My mother is of chinese descent.”

      Quite frankly, given that, I´m glad he couldn´t score at any white girl! And he shouldn´t expect it in any way, he should only aspire non-white or mixed women. That´s the drama of the mongrel. It´s the fault of the parents. But the kids have to be aware that the non-mixed Whites are just not their mating pool. Knowing that, he might have been much less disappointed.

    • What evidence do you have that being white makes you superior to non-whites? In the United States, the majority of reported and investigated serial killers are white males, from a lower-to-middle-class background, usually in their late twenties to early thirties.

      Having white parents isn’t a credit to you, it is up to you to be a good citizen, and there is no reason whatsoever why any person of any racial descent shouldn’t have a chance to make a decent shot at life.

      You make the mistake of believing you can claim more than your fair share by making no effort whatsoever, and merely relying on your race to punish others who never harmed you in any way – just for existing.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “What evidence do you have that being white makes you superior to non-whites?”

      He didn’t make that claim. Why do you suggest that he did? Why do you need to engage in dishonest misrepresentation? I’m guessing the typical reader will see it as a sign that your argument is weak, which of course it is.

      Derek Williams: “In the United States, the majority of reported and investigated serial killers are white males, from a lower-to-middle-class background, usually in their late twenties to early thirties.”

      In other posts you claim that whites (or at least the “white race”) don’t exist. Now that you accuse them of being serial killers, poof! They spring back into existence. LOL!

      It’s the same old anti-white routine, that has become laughably transparent: whites exist only to be condemned. But if they defend themselves and seek to protect their legitimate interests, suddenly they disappear again. Orwell had your type dead to rights.

      Derek, 1995 is calling you. It wants its bad, dishonest rhetoric back. It’s genuinely amusing that you think this spout-a-stupid-cliche routine actually still works.

      Now, get back to cherry picking facts in a desperate bid to cover up the massive amount of murder, rape, and grooming that your favored non-white colonizers engage in. By all means, squirt more ink.

      Derek Williams: “You make the mistake of believing you can claim more than your fair share by making no effort whatsoever, and merely relying on your race to punish others who never harmed you in any way – just for existing.”

      We want to avoid the genocide that you support, advocate, and claim is inevitable. The disappearance of whites is only inevitable if we listen to anti-white haters such as yourself, which we have no intention of doing.

      Since you love non-whites so much, why don’t you leave Europe and go live amongst them? But that wouldn’t be any fun, would it, Derek? The real joy you sickos get is seeing non-whites imposed on white communities, and only white communities, to further the disappearance of whites that you joyfully gloat is inevitable.

      It’s going to come as a grand disappointment that what you claim is inevitable is anything but, so enjoy your hate-filled clucking and chortling while you can, because our people will survive, no doubt much to your chagrin. Count on it.

    • “Peter ” stated “That´s the drama of the mongrel. It´s the fault of the parents. But the kids have to be aware that the non-mixed Whites are just not their mating pool. Knowing that, he might have been much less disappointed.” How is that not demeaning to “non-whites”?

      Being white isn’t the same as a “white race”. The two are therefore not mutually exclusive. You define the human race into two neat categories of white and non-white, but with just as much illegitimacy, one could categories the world into Asian and non-Asian, or Arab and non-Arab. The use of the prefix “non” is disingenuously intended to diminish the recipient of the epithet as though they embody the negative or absence of something worthier than they.

      Living amongst whites and non-whites isn’t mutually exclusive either. I live quite happily in a world populated by interesting people from all walks of like and from all corners of the world. The variety that terrifies you, fascinates me.

      No matter how many times you utter the lie that I want to exterminate my white self, my white family and my white friends it isn’t getting truer and truer and truer. It is merely becoming more and more tedious. Stifling another yawn, and to spare others from reading up this abusive thread, I will say it again. I do not have any such intention.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “How is that not demeaning to “non-whites”?”

      You falsely state that Peter was making a claim of superiority. He wasn’t. Caught in your thousandth misrepresentation (you really should get some sort of discount, operating in bulk as you do), you now scurry away from that false position, and switch to “demeaning.” Standard Derek.

      Peter’s actual position is simply that the fault rests with the parents of Elliot Rodgers. I agree with this, though the sick society that encouraged and celebrated their bad choices must be indicted as well.

      It was their choice, and theirs alone, to create a mixed race child that lacked a coherent identity. That child clearly developed a pathological hatred of both Asians and whites, but particularly whites.

      Racial diversity lowers societal trust and provides more fertile ground for a wide host of pathologies. See Putnam’s extensive research on this phenomenon, just for starters. Rodgers was merely an extreme example of this process of societal breakdown. A process that we oppose, but you support.

      Derek Williams: “You define the human race into two neat categories of white and non-white, but with just as much illegitimacy, one could categories the world into Asian and non-Asian, or Arab and non-Arab.”

      You really are a dufus, Derek. Um…from the point of view of someone who is Chinese, there ARE Chinese and non-Chinese. You really don’t understand that? You don’t understand that there are Koreans and non-Koreans? Wow. Just wow. Do you consider yourself “demeaned” because a Korean person considers you, quite accurately and obviously, non-Korean? Or a black considers you non-black? If you do, you’re even kookier than I thought. Which, I might add, is really saying something, as on this board at least, you’re way ahead in the kook sweepstakes.

      But let’s be honest, you’re just playing the standard anti-white game of if whites do something, it’s wrong. If non-whites do the exact same thing, it’s perfectly fine. Your anti-white ignorance and bigotry are truly stunning.

      Derek Williams: “I live quite happily in a world populated by interesting people from all walks of like and from all corners of the world. The variety that terrifies you, fascinates me.”

      You live in a historically white land that is being colonized by non-whites. You, hate-filled traitor that you are, support this colonization, and gloat that the disappearance of whites through mixing is inevitable. But it is only inevitable if we listen to anti-whites such as yourself, and allow the colonization to continue. With each passing day, more people are hip to the anti-white game.

      Derek Williams: “The variety that terrifies you, fascinates me.”

      It is the genocide that you support which disgusts me. If you want to live around non-whites, the world is full of them. Nobody is stopping you, and you could go virtually anywhere. Whites are a small minority in a mostly non-white world.

      But that would deny you the sick pleasure you get from seeing white homelands swamped with non-whites, while you get to celebrate white genocide.

      The anti-white doesn’t want to go anywhere to live around non-whites. His is a very specific joy: seeing non-whites imposed upon white communities, and only white communities, to further his desire for genocide.

      Derek Williams: “No matter how many times you utter the lie that I want to exterminate my white self, my white family and my white friends it isn’t getting truer and truer and truer.”

      From your earliest posts on this blog, you have clearly stated that it was inevitable that whites will be mixed with non-white colonizers. You have been clear that you approve of and support this invasion of white homelands. You attack and insult those of us who oppose the colonization of our lands.

      Readers can call that what they will, but I call it advocating white genocide. I also call it disgusting and pathological. Which it is.

    • @Trainspotter

      List your attributes as a white person that are not to be found in people of any other colour.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “List your attributes as a white person that are not to be found in people of any other colour.”

      Derek, if you are unable to distinguish ethnic Europeans from ethnic East Asians, then you are simply lacking in basic mental competence. Frankly, basic sanity. At best, the sheer ignorance that you demonstrate about the world around you is shocking.

      How bizarre it must be to go through life as someone like you. You condemn white people as slavers, you call them serial killers, and insult them regularly. But then, suddenly, they don’t exist. You simply can’t distinguish ethnic Koreans from ethnic Swedes, to do so is beyond your mental faculties.

      This glaring, absurd contradiction is easily observable by normal people. Yet, bizarrely, it appears completely beyond your grasp.

      Given your inability to make even the most elementary of distinctions (unless you are condemning and insulting white people, in which case you know exactly who we are), I suppose that if you were in Korea, you would be completely lost, unsure whether you were actually in Sweden. You would run around like a lunatic, bewildered and confused, demanding that the Koreans “list” their attributes for you, and prove to you that they aren’t Swedes.

      Derek, I hope you get the help that you clearly need.

    • @Trainspotter

      Argumentum ad hominem isn’t an answer. You’re evading the question. What attributes does the “white race” have that are not found in people with skin of other colours?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek, my argument is far more than ad hominem. I’m making a fundamental point: your inability to distinguish ethnic Koreans from ethnic Swedes is a sign of either astonishing ignorance, or simple mental incompetence. Or perhaps the bizarre result of following a hateful, anti-white ideology.

      Another basic point: your repeated insults of whites, calling them slavers and serial killers, but then shamelessly denying that whites even exist when they try to defend themselves, not to mention your absurd and clownish demands for “lists,” is beyond ludicrous. The glaring contradictions in your nonsense are obvious to any non-loon. Naturally, it is not obvious to you.

      Only NOW do we come to the ad hominem: you are indeed a ridiculous dufus.

      But there is clear and overwhelming evidence to back up my insult. If you wish to behave as a clown, don’t be surprised when you are treated as such.

    • Answer the question.

    • Trainspotter

      LOL! Your question has been answered, just not in the silly form that you demand. If you seriously can’t distinguish ethnic Koreans from ethnic Swedes, then you are in need of psychiatric care, and no list can possibly help you, nor will one be provided. If you can in fact make such distinctions, you simply out yourself as a childish dolt, immaturely playing games…but playing them quite badly.

    • No it hasn’t at all. You don’t explain apart from different skin colour, what attributes ethnic Swedes have that ethnic Koreans don’t or cannot have.

    • Trainspotter

      I would suggest that you research the Swedes and the Koreans on your own time. If you are still unable to distinguish one from the other, I would suggest that you seek psychiatric care.

    • They’re obviously visibly different skin colour. So what? If you can’t answer a simple question, “what OTHER attributes do ethnic Swedes have that ethnic Koreans don’t or cannot have” then I can’t help you defend your own position. It’s not MY job to Google the facts to support YOUR argument.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “It’s not MY job to Google the facts to support YOUR argument.”

      That’s certainly true, but it is your job to remain within the basic boundaries of sanity, at least if you expect to be treated as anything other than a deranged lunatic. If you genuinely cannot distinguish between ethnic Koreans and ethnic Swedes, that’s your problem, and it is indicative of much larger problems. Normal, sane people can make such distinctions.

      An adult demanding proof that 2+2=4 does not deserve an answer. Such an adult is either insane or severely retarded, or at best playing astonishingly immature games. I say again, do your own research on Swedes and Koreans, on your own time, and if you still cannot distinguish one from the other, seek psychiatric care.

    • Dustin

      Derek,

      First of all, it is very difficult to do the research to discover the traits that I think you’re asking for because scientists who try to do this research often face the wrath of the PC police and most scientists nowadays care more about their careers than anything else, so they shy away from this sort of research because they “don’t want any trouble” that might stop them from getting ahead in their careers.

      That being said, there is compelling evidence that Europeans in general, and Northern Europeans in particular, have larger eyes than other peoples in this world. (See here: http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/8/1/90.full )

      This study (“Latitudinal variation in light levels drives human visual system size”) does not include Koreans, but it does include Chinese, a similar people.

      Looking at the mean orbital volume (the volume of the “eye socket”) of Chinese vs Scandinavians, the mean orbital volume from the Chinese sample is 24.46ml, whereas the mean orbital volume from the Scandinavian sample is 26.83ml. This is a 9.69% difference, which is substantial.

      Interestingly, the smallest mean orbital volume in the study was that of the Micronesian sample at 21.83ml. When compared to the Scandinavian sample, we are talking about a 22.9% difference, which is huge.

      This makes sense because there is much less light at higher latitudes, necessitating larger eyes, larger retinas, and larger visual areas of the brain overall.

    • Those are all physical attributes, and there are just as many physical variations among people of white skin colour. You’re still evading the primary thrust of my original question, and that relates to what it is that equips a human being to function socially, culturally, sexually, physically, intellectually, ethically and morally. You could consider things like politics, music, art, theatre, dance, science, mathematics, philosophy, architecture, and so on.

      My question remains unanswered. Aside from physical appearance (e.g. skin colour and the other physical appearances you’ve listed), what attributes distinguish the white Swedes from the Asian Koreans that would justify shutting Asians out from your white tribe?

    • Trainspotter

      Dustin, Derek’s demand for information is not a serious or honest one. Difference in something like eye size is merely one of countless differences between ethnic Koreans and ethnic Swedes, and a pretty insignificant one at that.

      Swedes aren’t just Koreans with different eyes, nor are Koreans merely Swedes with different eyes. I realize you’re not saying that, but that’s how a clown like Derek will run with it. I mean, what’s the point of having our own homeland if the only thing that separates us are trivial and inconsequential differences?

      The truth is that we are different peoples, with different genetics, different heritages and history, different cultural behaviors and achievements.

      A five year old of below average intelligence can distinguish between the Korean community and the Swedish community. Derek apparently is incapable of making such distinctions. He is either suffering from a serious mental defect, or he is being extremely immature and dishonest. In any event, humor him if you wish, but his demands should not be taken seriously.

    • What do you do with a Korean orphan raised from infancy in a Swedish household, or the children of Koreans who fled the Korean War and now live in Sweden? The child will speak Swedish, be educated in a Swedish school, upon attaining the age of majority may work in Sweden, have a Swedish passport, vote in the Swedish elections and pay taxes to the Swedish government. Until he looks in the mirror he won’t understand your claim that he isn’t Swedish, because he looks different to the white Swedes. What do you say to this person? You are not Swedish? Go back to Korea? Why is it is fault that he was adopted by Swedes, or born in Sweden?

      That is why I ask you, and you do not answer, what it is about his Korean ancestry other than his looks that makes him forever ineligible to be Swedish? You may refer to my list.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek: “That is why I ask you, and you do not answer, what it is about his Korean ancestry other than his looks that makes him forever ineligible to be Swedish?”

      Derek, apparently you are unable to grasp the basic concept here. What if you reverse the roles, and a white child is brought up in Korea? What is the result?

      It’s really not much of a brain teaser, and the answer is obvious: he’s a white kid of European descent brought up in Korea. He cannot change that he is not of Korean descent. He will never be of Korean descent. Other Koreans will recognize this, even if he speaks Korean, and knows of no life outside of Korea.

      How the Koreans choose to view him beyond that is up to them. But I doubt they would welcome it if their Korean homeland was being swamped with millions of non-Koreans, and told that it was inevitable that they would be reduced to a minority, and ultimately blended out of existence as a people.

      Again, that’s up to them, and they aren’t asking for my opinion, but I’m guessing that they won’t allow that process to occur. If they do, they’re idiots.

      Yet that’s exactly the process that is underway in white countries, and pretty much only in white countries.

      Just as the Koreans aren’t asking for my opinion, we aren’t asking for yours. You’re fine with whites being reduced to a minority in their homelands, and ultimately being bred out of existence. You call this “inevitable” and admit that you are fascinated by it. I disagree, and consider your anti-white views sick and demented, and call on all decent people to oppose them.

      More people are waking up every day, and the recent European elections, while only the barest of bare beginnings, are a wonderful step in the right direction. We aren’t going to go quietly into the night, much to the chagrin of anti-whites like yourself.

      And I’ll repeat once more: if you genuinely cannot distinguish ethnic Koreans from ethnic Swedes, you should seek psychiatric care. I’m not joking about that, either.

    • Dustin

      Difference in something like eye size is merely one of countless differences between ethnic Koreans and ethnic Swedes, and a pretty insignificant one at that.

      Oh, I wouldn’t call it insignificant, since difference in eye size implies differences in retina size and differences in the size of the brain which handles visual-spatial reasoning. That certainly is not insignificant, and really I pointed to it not for Derek’s benefit, but for the benefit of younger and newer visitors to the site who might be less familiar with the material.

      As for Derek, I fully realize that there is no reasoning with people like him. Democratic-Man is forced to defend the proposition that “all men are created equal”, no matter how much evidence is mounted to the contrary, because the system of democracy is simply not philosophically tenable if that ends up being false. So they have to at least pretend that it is true (by simply denying all evidence to the contrary). That’s what Derek is doing right now.

      A Brett Stevens quote comes to mind:

      Democracy is a stampede, not a discussion. It is pretentious small-minded people proclaiming themselves kings and then vandalizing everything they touch. It is not created for the grand altruistic goals it claims, but so that there can be “license” to plunder, to defile, to appropriate, to muddle and otherwise to destroy. Democracy is not thinking, it’s an emotional reaction. It is not the work of the have-nots, but the cannot-haves, or those who by their own behavior limit their ability to be anything more than third-world levels of filthy, disorganized, kleptocratic and cruel. Instead of disciplining themselves and rising through a process of Natural Selection, they refuse to make even basic concessions to logic and instead act out their whims, feelings, desires and judgments, and for their unrealistic behavior are rewarded with failure in reality.

      (Sorry, can’t put a link for this because putting two links in a comment on WordPress causes the comment to automatically go into the spam bin, but it’s from Stevens’ piece “The Neoreaction/Dark Enlightenment Tantrum”.)

    • Trainspotter

      Dustin: “That certainly is not insignificant, and really I pointed to it not for Derek’s benefit, but for the benefit of younger and newer visitors to the site who might be less familiar with the material.”

      Fair enough, and perfectly valid to do. My calling it insignificant was perhaps a poor choice of words, but was meant relative to the full meaning of our existence as a people, with everything that implies. Newer visitors need to at least begin to grasp the greater and deeper meaning of our struggle. They need to understand that we fight for, well, everything. It is all on the line, our very existence as a people.

      That greater meaning can easily get lost in the world of, let’s say IQ differentials and crime statistics, or what have you. Those things have their place, obviously, but can easily cloud what is most important.

      Dustin: “As for Derek, I fully realize that there is no reasoning with people like him.”

      Truer words were seldom spoken. He’s fun though, if for no other reason than demonstrating the utter bankruptcy of the anti-white ideology. Upon facing any opposition at all, it quickly deteriorates into a sort of theatre of the absurd. Absurd claims, bizarre demands for proof that 2+2=4 and the sky is blue.

      But who knows, maybe he’ll leave this thread educated enough to actually be able to distinguish ethnic Swedes from ethnic Koreans, something any five year old could do? But perhaps that is a bridge too far. I mean, it is Derek. LOL!

    • @Trainspotter

      In the converse example you pose of an Anglo-Saxon white child raised in a Korean household – clearly he would identify as Korean and would adopt the mannerisms, education, values of his society, just as in reverse. He might have curiosity about his white ancestry, just as African Americans have about their African ancestry, but for now, he is in a new society and makes friends there.

      There are thousands of Asians living in the United Kingdom, who share our values, attend and teach at our universities, and came here because they liked and identified with aspects of our culture. However there are many shared tastes and values, in music and the arts, and philosophy. Again, these things you find threatening, I find fascinating. i am not threatened by difference. Diversity is essential to the fitness of DNA, and what you advocate goes against it.

      Why should Asians whose families have lived here for generations all be repatriated to their respective “homelands” when they don’t even speak the language, know the history or identify with what is to them a foreign culture, that they don’t even think of as ‘home’?

      Basing an entire tribe purely on the colour of a person’s skin is not logical. There is far more that goes to make up a society than skin pigmentation, which is largely irrelevant. So, you have still failed to show how a person’s innate race is the primal determinant that fits him for a tribe.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek: “In the converse example you pose of an Anglo-Saxon white child raised in a Korean household – clearly he would identify as Korean and would adopt the mannerisms, education, values of his society, just as in reverse.”

      The ignorance that you demonstrate is absolutely astonishing. All over the world, there are minorities that have been living in countries for centuries, or even longer, and still do not identify with the indigenous population. This is the norm, not the exception. All over the world, children figure out who they really are, even though they are brought up in homes of a different race. Again, this is the norm, not the exception.

      I’ve met people who were brought up in homes of a different race. Not one, not a single one, deluded herself into believing that she is anything other than what she is. Every last one figured it out, and when they were quite young at that.

      Your ignorance of this well established pattern would be stunning if exhibited by a normal, sane human being. But you’re, well, you, so it’s pretty much expected by now.

      Even if the white child identified as Korean, and deluded himself into believing that he was of Korean descent, so what? You can identify as Napoleon if you want, doesn’t make it true.

      Perhaps someone like you really believes himself to be Napoleon, but normal people understand that there is a little thing called reality. I could “identify” as Korean if I like, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’m not Korean, and means little if the Koreans don’t identity with me. Which they don’t. And it doesn’t justify the genocide of the Koreans.

      I suspect the white child raised in Korea would always be viewed as an outsider, and that Koreans would oppose a process by which their homeland was subjected to mass importation of non-Koreans, where they would be reduced to a minority in their own land, and ultimately bred out of existence.

      Yet this is what you support being done to white countries. This is what IS being done to white countries, and pretty much only white countries. It is genocide, and your support of it is sick, demented and disgusting.

      Derek: “Basing an entire tribe purely on the colour of a person’s skin is not logical.”

      You know, Derek, that statement is so stupid, so utterly ridiculous, that it simply doesn’t deserve a response beyond mockery. You have now been posting (trolling) here, extensively, for quite a while. Very little of the discussion here has much to do with slight variations in skin pigment. A normal person would understand this, but not you. It’s clear that you are ineducable, possessed of an unteachable ignorance.

      If you believe that this whole argument is just about skin pigmentation, that all peoples are the same other than that, that a Swede is merely a Korean with a slightly different pigment, that a black is just a Norwegian who happens to have a tan, then you are hopelessly ignorant and beyond rational discussion.

      Boards such as this exist, at least in part, to help inform those of good faith who wish to learn more. But utter morons, liars and immature trolls? No thanks. Mockery is all they deserve.

    • Asians born and bred in the United Kingdom aren’t “outsiders” at all, they live and work in the community and no-one even questions their entitlement to British citizenship or our shared values. I work alongside all sorts of different looking people and if you want to talk about a “tribe”, such as a musical community then we’re all part of it, regardless of the colour of our skin, moreover we don’t use that to look down our noses on people who don’t choose to be part of it.

      Of course there is still racism like yours in this country, and recent surveys have shown this to be worsening, but that isn’t the declared value of Britain, nor should it be.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek, there is no rational discourse possible with someone like you. You have gone on record saying that it is “inevitable” that whites will be bred out of existence, and that this disgusting process “fascinates” you.

      There are plenty of places across the planet where the races have mixed, particularly the slums of Latin America. The results are already in, and they aren’t good. You wish to inflict this horrible future on white countries. We, on the other hand, oppose your sick and demented desires.

    • @Trainspotter

      Out of the past 71 mass murderers in the USA, 70 have been males and most of them white. Using the colour of your skin as a method of sorting human beings into categories of unworthiness is therefore not only irrational, but counter-productive.

      You haven’t listed one single skill that only white people have, that no other people with different coloured skin can do. You haven’t isolated a single moral value or social attribute that is the sole prerogative of whites. There’s good and bad in every one of us, and that cannot be explained by skin colour.

      You are so opposed to genetic diversity that you insist whites should be forced to marry another person with the same kind of skin pigmentation, so as to preserve “racial purity”. You’ll not succeed. People are going to marry and make families with the person they love, no matter what skin colour their parents have.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “Using the colour of your skin as a method of sorting human beings into categories of unworthiness is therefore not only irrational, but counter-productive.

      Good thing we’re not doing that, then. Instead, we’re opposing white genocide.

      Derek Williams: “You haven’t listed one single skill that only white people have, that no other people with different coloured skin can do.”

      I haven’t tried to, because it’s not at issue. You are just looking for an excuse to justify your support of white genocide.

      Derek Williams: “You are so opposed to genetic diversity that you insist whites should be forced to marry another person with the same kind of skin pigmentation, so as to preserve “racial purity”.”

      Shameless lie. Nobody here, to my knowledge, is advocating forcing anyone to marry anybody. Nobody here, to my knowledge, opposes the existence of racially mixed nations for those that want them. There are already plenty of such nations, in particular the slums of Latin America. That is the future that you want for our people. Sorry, Derek, but it’s not going to happen.

      What we do oppose is white genocide. You’re on record as supporting this, calling the blending out of whites “inevitable,” and sickly gloating about how you find that process “fascinating.”

    • @Trainspotter

      You repeatedly fail to define exactly what attributes your “white tribe” has uniquely to itself, aside from a pale skin pigment. What is it that you’re trying to save from extinction?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek, why don’t you go to other forums and tell the Tibetans that they are no different from the Chinese, that there is nothing unique about them, and it is unimportant if their people are destroyed? In fact, why don’t you tell them that you find the process of Tibetan dispossession “fascinating” and “inevitable,” and that it is a wonderful thing?

      I’ll answer for you: because you are an anti-white bigot who is on record as supporting white genocide, and only white genocide, calling it “inevitable” and gloating, like the pervert that you are, that you are “fascinated” by the process.

      We are opposed to the genocide of a particular people, a people you have no problem identifying when you are insulting them, calling them slavers and serial killers. But when they defend themselves, suddenly you claim to have no idea what we are talking about. They don’t exist! You’re so confused!

      Your posts in this thread amount to nothing more than your pathetic and disgusting attempt to justify white genocide.

    • @Trainspotter

      You repeatedly fail to define exactly what attributes your “white tribe” has uniquely to itself, aside from a pale skin pigment. What is it that you’re trying to save from extinction?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek, why don’t you make such demands of the Tibetans? Why do you bizarrely believe that whites must prove to you things that non-whites don’t?

      The idea that a people, any people, must prove something to you in order to oppose their own genocide is beyond absurd.

      In any event, I think it is safe to say that most normal, sane people understand that the European peoples have created a distinct civilization. I’m not interested in reaching out to ignorant lunatics who are unable to make such elementary distinctions.

      If you are genuinely unable to distinguish the European peoples from East Asians, Bantus and Amerindians, that’s your problem. An informal thread such as this is not the place to provide you with a ground up education. Instead, it is up to you to learn about the various peoples of the planet, their histories and their heritage, if you are bizarrely unable to discern one from the other. Or not, if you prefer to remain mired in an astonishing level of ignorance.

      But really, in your case, I would recommend psychiatric care. A five year old of below average intelligence is able to make basic distinctions that you claim to be unable to make.

      Justifying white genocide, as you are doing, is not a very noble pursuit, and apparently requires an astonishingly impoverished and ignorant view of the world. But if you genuinely believe that a Bantu is just a Swede with a tan…knock yourself out. Just don’t be surprised when you are treated as a deranged lunatic.

    • Argumentum ad hominem is not rebuttal. Personal attack and abuse doesn’t prove anything except that you don’t have any evidence to support your case. Your oft-repeated lie that I am advocating my own extermination doesn’t gain veracity by repetition.

      You repeatedly fail to define exactly what attributes your “white tribe” has uniquely to itself, aside from a pale skin pigment. What is it that you’re trying to save from extinction? What is it you think whites can do that no other skin colour can do?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “Argumentum ad hominem is not rebuttal.”

      Material comes out all the time on racial differences. Read Wade’s recent “A Troublesome Inheritance.” But we both know you won’t do that, not that a normal person would need to in order to understand that ethnic Swedes and ethnic Koreans are two different peoples.

      It is not ad hominem to point out your absurd, bizarre failure to grasp basic concepts that are easily accessible to a five year old. It is not ad hominem to point out the gross illogic and nonsensical nature of knowing exactly who whites are when you are insulting them, but then pretending that you have no idea who they are when they seek to defend themselves. Normal people recognize that as a gross contradiction and violation of the most basic principles of logic and reason.

      Derek Williams: “You repeatedly fail to define exactly what attributes your “white tribe” has uniquely to itself, aside from a pale skin pigment.”

      LOL! I’ve not “repeatedly” failed at anything. Your irrational belief that this argument is simply about skin pigment is absurd and ridiculous. If you genuinely believe that a Bantu is nothing more than a Swede with a dark tan, if you are unable to discern ethnic Germans from ethnic Koreans by anything other than skin pigment, then I really do believe that you should seek psychiatric care.

      That’s not ad hominem, it’s simply pointing out that you are unable to make elementary distinctions that a normal human brain should be able to process. If we are to take your bizarre claims and demands at face value, it genuinely would appear that you are suffering from a mental defect. Another alternative is that you suffer from an astonishing level of ignorance, one that exceeds that of most children of elementary school age. Yet another possibility is just shameless dishonesty on your part.

      I’ve made it clear throughout this thread that I have no intention of attempting to satisfy your ludicrous and illogical demands. I do, however, suggest that you try this nonsense on other forums. Why not tell the Tibetans that you support their dispossession, because there is no difference between them and the Chinese? Why not tell the Jewish Israelis that they should not have a Jewish state, and should instead mix themselves away with Arabs and Africans, and that one day there will be no more Jews? After all, what is unique about the Jews? Why shouldn’t they blend with the Bantus and Arabs, and anything else that happens to want in? Apparently you want to genocide the Jews too, or is it just the indigenous peoples of Europe that are subject to your vile hate? Do you find Jewish genocide as “inevitable” and “fascinating” as you find white genocide?

      What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    • The serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer was a member of your “white tribe”, but Nelson Mandela was not. What did the former have over the latter?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek: “The serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer was a member of your “white tribe”, but Nelson Mandela was not. What did the former have over the latter?”

      LOL! You really are an ignorant loon. You aren’t aware of Mandela’s ANC and the violence that it committed? His own wife, Winnie Mandela, said, “With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country.”

      Nice people. Burning people alive in the streets is certainly something that all nice people can encourage, right Derek?

      Not that any of this is germane to the argument at hand, but it is amusing that you manage to pick about the worst example possible (not to mention your choice of Dahmer, a homosexual serial killer). The historical ignorance that you exhibit, regularly, is absolutely amazing, but even I am a bit surprised that you are unaware of the violence that has taken place in South Africa, and Mandela’s role with the terrorist activities of the ANC.

      Just as a few posts ago you imagined that a white would be viewed as a full blooded Korean, revealing utter ignorance of Korean treatment of non-Koreans over the years. It is apparent that you simply haven’t got a clue. Instead, your entire world view demonizes whites, and you regularly refer to them as slavers and serial killers. But non-whites? They are saints, and all of their actual wrongs and evil deeds are simply ignored or denied.

      You’re an Orwellian dystopia on steroids, and as I’ve said many times, you’re also a hate filled, anti-white bigot.

      But even if Mandela were actually the saint that he is portrayed as, so what? And because there is a nutty white homosexual like Dahmer, it’s o.k. to genocide whites? That’s utterly insane. Your mentality is crazier than Dahmer ever was, and ends up justifying even more horrible things.

      Your insane and crazed ideology justifies genociding other peoples as well. Is it correct that you support the genocide of Jews? After all, Mandela wasn’t a Jew, and there is nothing that a Jew can do that a non-Jew can’t do. There have been many Jewish serial killers (that you no doubt chalk up to the white account).

      By your own bizarre and twisted “reasoning”, it would appear that you support the genocide of Jews.

      I brought this up above, and you haven’t denied it. Shall we interpret your silence to mean consent, that you do in fact support the genocide of the Jewish people?

    • Filibustering and ad hominem aren’t helping your case. And telling me to do your research for you is helping you even less. The only criterion you’ve proffered for membership of your “white tribe” is that the skin colour of the person be white. Jeffrey Dahmer fulfills that criterion, yet now you disown one of your own.

      Since you don’t like Nelson Mandela, how about Martin Luther King or Archbishop Desmond Tutu? They’re not white skinned, so lack the most important attribute need to belong to your select club. The soprano Leontyne Price? No good? Producer Qunicy Jones, Louis Armstrong, Harry Belafonte, Nat King Cole, Oscar Peterson – none of these people can join your tribe because their skin doesn’t match your racial requirements, but Jeffrey Dahmer would have been eligible, because he was white.

      When are you going to list the unique attributes of a white person, that don’t exist in people of any other skin colour?

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “Filibustering and ad hominem aren’t helping your case.”

      Pointing out your bizarre illogic and astonishing level of historical ignorance is not filibustering or ad hominem. Facts are facts.

      Derek Williams: “The only criterion you’ve proffered for membership of your “white tribe” is that the skin colour of the person be white.”

      You’ve been posting at this site for months. If you are actually under the impression that it’s all about pigmentation, and nothing more, that a Swede is merely a Bantu who lacks a tan, then it simply goes to your absolutely bizarre level of ignorance and utter lack of reading comprehension.

      Derek Williams: “Jeffrey Dahmer fulfills that criterion, yet now you disown one of your own.”

      I didn’t deny that he was white, but I do find it odd that you would promote a homosexual serial killer as someone that this website would need to defend. In any event, obviously there are white criminals, but to imagine that this justifies our genocide is sick and bizarre. It is a mindset as twisted as that of Dahmer himself, and you very much exemplify that perversity of mind.

      Derek Williams: “Since you don’t like Nelson Mandela…”

      LOL! Don’t like? Don’t like? What are you, a twelve year old girl?

      Derek Williams: “…none of these people can join your tribe because their skin doesn’t match your racial requirements…”

      None of these people can join our tribe because they aren’t our people. Just as the Apache don’t consider me part of their tribe, or the Jews part of theirs. Just as the Chinese don’t consider me Chinese, or the Koreans consider me Korean.

      You don’t have a problem with the hundreds of non-white tribes that don’t identify with the people on your list. Only whites are the target of your vitriol and hate and, frankly, sheer ignorance and stupidity. Why don’t you pester non-white groups about their failure to identify the people on your list as one of their own?

      Derek Williams: “When are you going to list the unique attributes of a white person, that don’t exist in people of any other skin colour?”

      A people, whether they be Apache, Jewish, or black or East Asian, are not subject to lists. I oppose the genocide of any people, and they don’t have to prove through some bizarre list that they should not be genocided. Your demand for lists is strange and absurd.

      I oppose the genocide of the Jewish people as well. They don’t have to provide some bizarre list to me, and I’m not providing one to a lunatic like you. Your crazed, Dahmeresque philosophy, on the other hand, does justify the genocide of the Jewish people, which I can only conclude that your support. You’re a twisted guy, Derek.

    • Nowhere in your hysterical and immoderate prose do you set down the features of your tribe other than that their skin must be white. That is the only determinant you’ve managed to come up with. Dahmer had white skin, so according to your own rules he was “your people”.

    • Trainspotter

      Derek Williams: “Dahmer had white skin, so according to your own rules he was “your people”.

      False. Both of the Matts have written posts dealing with this sort of issue. If your reading comprehension is not strong enough to process the concept, then that is your problem.

      As to Dahmer specifically, I doubt that he would have identified with us, nor would he have wanted to join us. As a homosexual serial killer, he probably had far more in common with you.

      But who knows? He’s not around anymore to explain himself. But if he had become part of a white homeland, and went on to commit heinous crimes, he would of course have been punished for that, just as would any other criminal. What’s so hard to understand about that, Derek? Why is that so difficult for your brain to process, and how does that help your sick advocacy of white genocide?

      Are you equally unable to understand that the Jews punish Jewish murderers in Israel, or the Chinese punish Chinese murderers, or the Koreans punish Korean murderers? This is why I suggest that you seek psychiatric care – your brain does not seem able to process basic information.

      There have been many Jewish serial murderers. That doesn’t mean that the Jews aren’t a people, or that it is o.k. for people like you to advocate their genocide. You’ve dodged this question repeatedly: do you support Jewish genocide, Derek? The logic of your positions suggests that you do, but you won’t answer directly. What are you hiding?

      In any event, this bizarre notion you seem to have that somehow a people aren’t a people – because there are criminals within the population? How very strange.

      Do you imagine that the Jews aren’t a people because there are Jewish criminals? Or do you shamelessly target only whites with your bizarre form of lunacy?

    • Other than white colour of their skin, what attributes does a human being need to possess in order to be eligible to belong to your “tribe”?

  • Peter

    Hm… I don´t feel that as bad acting, in fact, I think he appears even somewhat charismatic and talented as an actor. If it wasn´t unplausible because of a longer history of videos about his loneliness, I might say, they hired him under the pretense that he does that video as an actor, and later used it as fake confession for the shooting. Also he doesn´t come across to me as a psycho in the videos. Very strange, can´t make sense of it.
    Re the shooting: how can one person do efficient shooting while steering the car? They say it´s not so easy to kill people with a hand firearm at some distance.
    We had a school shooting in Germany that at closer look is completely unplausible and clearly not what it´s presented to be. E.g., clearly there was more than 1 shooter involved.

    So while I´m probably way off with such speculations, we have much reason to be suspicious about shootings / terrorism, cf. also Sandy Hoax, Boston and many other. Very close examination of the details is warranted.

  • Robert Pinkerton

    Two questions about this episode:
    1. Where and how did he get the weapon and ammunition he used?
    2. Sresence of S.S.R.I.s or other drugs of like ilk?

  • SimplyFred

    Every spree killer, every serial killer, every political assassin has been, is, and will be a homosexual. This beast is pretending to heterosexualtiy to divert attention from the truth.

    • Evidence would help, not just your opinion.

    • SimplyFred

      If I could provide facts and figures I would provide facts and figures. The text books have all been wiped clean. Forensic pathology textbooks published before 1960 used to read: “Homosexual murders are always characterized by overkill.” No modern day book on forensics dares make such a statement.

      I guess what I am trying to say- read between the lines. Why does our controled, main stream media always insist spree killers are- “young men.”? (sic)

    • The entire video is about him constantly desiring, and continually being rejected by females. If he were homosexual as you claim to “know” somehow, then he would have killed MEN who rejected him. What you say is therefore delusional, and perhaps reveals more about you than it does about Rodger. Unless you are gay yourself, you cannot know whether your propensity to be a serial killer is triggered by your homosexuality. Speaking as a homosexual myself, I can only rebut your allegation with the defence that I have never killed anybody, nor desired to do so, not even once, not a single person, not even for a moment.

      As for your unnamed “textbooks”, it seems you believe that research hasn’t progressed since 1960, and nothing discovered since then about serial killers, or homosexuals for that matter, is to be believed. Do you hold the same view about everything else, or is your animus directed solely towards LGBT minorities?

      People like you can make any statement you like, however then when asked for proof in the form of actual evidence, resort to conspiracy theory that it has been “erased” amid a massive global conspiracy engineered by strangers to you.

  • Niemca

    Case closed.

  • Niemca

    Oh, maybe I’ll humor you. You say:

    “America’s departure from traditional monogamy is facilitated by the secular welfare state, one which “empowers” young women to be more selective with their mating partners. Given that there is a fixed population of males, the end result is a hyergamous competition for a small fraction of highly successful and promiscuous males. A large and growing subset of young men in our society are affected by this de facto polygamy.”

    How on earth does your theory explain the rape and sexual assault epidemic that occurred during the 80’s and mid-90’s? Competition for women wasn’t a factor because most of them occurred in highschools or colleges that had an equal number of males and females. It’s also important to note that chubby or somewhat overweight women were studied to have been targeted at significantly higher rates than thin women by sexual assailants (whom I’m presuming to be male).

    • tradyouth

      Niemca,

      I know this is counter-intuitive, but I don’t think rape has much to do with the topic.

      How on earth does your theory explain the rape and sexual assault epidemic that occurred during the 80′s and mid-90′s?

      From what I’ve seen, there doesn’t appear to have been a rape epidemic during that period. It appears to have been relatively high and stable until the early nineties, when the prevalence of DNA testing resulted in a precipitous decline to its present (historically low) levels. I’m open to data that suggests otherwise.

      Competition for women wasn’t a factor because most of them occurred in highschools or colleges that had an equal number of males and females.

      Population parity is irrelevant, as young females compete over a small pool of high-status males. This is more prevalent during high school and college than afterwards, as there’s less time pressure on the females to lock in a male before their dating market statuses begin declining. In the pre-marital (ideally, pre-sexual, pre-reproductive) stage of adolescence, I believe this is pretty much healthy, normal, and universal. What’s novel is that this stage is extending later and later into adulthood.

      It’s also important to note that chubby or somewhat overweight women were studied to have been targeted at significantly higher rates than thin women by sexual assailants (whom I’m presuming to be male).

      I’ll take your word for it. I’m under the impression that it’s less about looks than opportunity.

      I don’t think rape is a reliable metric of “beta frustration”, as these men are typically timid and intimidated by women to a degree women have a difficult time recognizing. As with Elliot, the thought of going out and shooting women (or harassing them anonymously online) is within their purview, whereas rape is not. Furthermore, advances in forensics have pretty much taken rape off the table for males who don’t have access to marginal communities with socially vulnerable females where they have a chance of getting away with it.

  • Dustin

    The conversation is rarely about how the majority of women who play this game, after “riding the carousel”, fail to obtain a high-status male. Had Elliot Rodger waited it out, he assuredly would have found himself with a nice thirty-something girl with some mileage on her. He wouldn’t be entirely thrilled about ending up with a promiscuous and aging wife, though she probably wouldn’t be entirely thrilled about ending up with a snotty, resentful, whiny husband.

    You really think so? Because there are many women who “ride the carousel” until they are well and truly too old for marriage and too old to bear children at all. Also, there is perhaps an equal number of women who “glare at the carousel” because they are so fat from eating party size bags of chips and stuff like that that no man wants them. In effect, they end up being “lost girls”. This is where your analogy with truly polygamous societies doesn’t quite match up, because although those societies have a “lost boy” problem they don’t have a “lost girl” problem.

    Maybe it’s taboo to say this even on a far-right website, but I think because of the modern diet, the sexes are less attractive to one another than they used to be. And it’s not just fatness, but the whole way that the modern diet screws up the human body. Anyway, it is known for a fact that modern men’s testosterone count is only a fraction of what it was 100 years ago. This no doubt affects men’s attractiveness to women. There can be no doubt that there are similar adverse things affecting modern women (and their attractiveness to men).

    • Niemca

      Bisphenol A is estrogenizing and it is adding to the phenomenon of young girls hitting menarche at such early ages that were not nearly as common 30 years ago. It’s in the lining of canned goods and sodas, and probably does even more damage to young males. Vitamin D is a hormone that might be lacking in many young kids as well and it’s deficit could also be contributing to hormonal imbalance in kids. Excess fat on the body even before puberty is metabolically active so that’s not healthy either.

    • Niemca

      Oh and certain numbers of plastics (check on the bottom of plastic bottles, etc.) become problematic hormonally and chemically, especially when heated. Best not to drink too much bottled water as they travel in hot trucks. I think #’s 2,3 and either 5 or 7 are the safest and least damaging to our endocrine systems.

  • Hank Rearden Speaking

    The Beak™ made two creepy statements:

    One, that he thought this murdering psychopath was “handsome” (!)

    Two, that he thought Rodgers was “white” (!)

    After that I read no further.

    • tradyouth

      Where did I say he was White?

      I deliberately avoided commenting on his ancestry when I wrote the story because we didn’t know, yet.

      It appears he’s half-British/half-Chinese, non-Jewish.

  • Niemca

    I haven’t furthered the debate about this guy and his actions because it’s looking more and more like a significant part of this thing was staged. So I’m not sure fake stuff is worth arguing over.

    There are several reasons I and others have begun to suspect all is not as it seems. But one I’ll mention is that one angle of whatever part became psy op, would be to divide white men and women. Ignite the gender wars…get the ‘feminists’ fighting the ‘manosphere…’

    I only debate with fact, not fiction, and this case seems to involve some of both.

  • Drew

    Holy, Sh*t ppl, stop writing essays. This is why I graduated college: So I can stop being smart. Listen, the kid should have shot himself, and himself alone.
    Men are now being force-fed the same crap, except instead of favoring “alpha-male masculinity,” we have Calvin Klein adds depicting effeminate males. Men are now expected to be complacent slaves to their fat, domineering, feminist, neo-liberal, PETA protesting, occupy Wall Street supporting wives. And, this douche would have been an ideal husband for such a woman. However, if he stayed alive a bit longer, I’m sure he would have “realized” he was gay all along.

Elliot Rodger

By: Matt Parrott


Matt is a founding member of TradYouth and is currently the project's Chief Information Officer. He's been active in the White Identity cause for years, primarily as a blogger but also as a street activist and regional organizer.
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